Formula 1 2023 Season

I like the sprints,I'd be fine with them every weekend actually.

 I'd change the points,why in the hell does only half the field earn points??.

 That's just stupid.

In reply to kevlarcorolla :

I'd rather go back to the 10/6/4/3/2/1 points system.  F1 points mean something -- you quite literally don't get points just for showing up.

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

Only 20 cars and 10 of them don't earn a point,thats hardly getting a point for just showing if last place gets a single point.

I mean how the hell do they tally up a season.

 I'd love to spend a few hundred million and tell people yep finally earned a point this yr.

kevlarcorolla said:

I mean how the hell do they tally up a season.

Same as any tiebreaker, it's based on the # of best-place finishes they have.  So if two competitors are tied at zero but one has a best finish of 14th and the other has a best of 17th, the one with a 14th comes in higher.

Does anyone really care which driver finished the championship in 17th?

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

Yeah the guy the finished 17th....

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

 We only see reverse grids as a gimmick because it's not what has gone before. Pretend cars have just been invented and we are establishing the rules of racing, knowing that the spectacle is going to play a big part in its future success. Forcing the best funded teams and drivers to fight for position instead of giving them a clear track to just disappear into the distance suddenly seems like the right way to go

The Factory/ Privateer Team breakdown really works in MotoGP and allows the non Factory Teams to take a few more risks without being penalized and makes for some surprising results

The car and engine that must fit in a box in the past would, as you said, result in costs getting out of control but in this spending cap era, I don't see how giving Teams/designers/engineers more leeway would be a bad thing. If a team wants to run a tiny V10 or big bore straight 4, we should let them. They all have to race with the same amount of fuel and some creativity in the engine department would be welcome. The cars have also become way too big and heavy, that needs to be clawed back to 1990's levels while still being safe as todays cars. This is very do-able if all the hybrid/battery stuff is dropped and the ICE is kept small.

Refueling should be allowed again because of the extra strategy possibilities it provides. Maybe a back marker team short fuels and gambles on a safety car? As long as refueling can be done reasonably safe, I don't see a downside.

4 mechanics max in pit lane slows down the pit stops to the point that fans can see delays/problems real time and we don't need a slo-mo replay afterwards, and it's also safer and would probably save teams money

People are always complaining about DRS passes but limiting the amount of time it's allowed might force drivers to attempt passes without it and would probably disrupt the DRS trains we see now

You are right that the rules have been changed too often and if I had to choose just one thing to change for the next set of rules, I would say we need to get the cars back to 1990's size and simplicity.

Rules change to attract money. Hybrid and DI are big things for oems so that was supposed to be a way to attract OEM money. That won't happen until '26 because the rules allowed too much. Cars are also heavy because of that. If you want Ferrari vs Cosworth again, go back to the whatever engine rule. That will just be high revving v10's- since that is what happened after decades of stable-ish engine rules. 
 

Car changes are because we, the fans, want better racing. Not cars that prevent faster cars from passing. Still have a long way to go there. 
 

Im not a huge fan of the 2 second pit stops, but making them longer really won't change much- fueling was allowed before, and it still resulted in most passes happening in the pits instead of on track. The teams will all converge to an X sec stop anyway. These guys spend a lot of time finding the optimum way or racing, and will converge to a single plan. 

The tire rules are E36M3.  Let them run whatever tires they want but limit the number they get for the weekend.

The "regulate fuel use only" is basically what happened with LMP1 a few years ago. Made for some awesome cars with a range of power plants - turbos, natually aspirated, gasoline, diesel, four to eight cylinders. But they also became cripplingly expensive to the point where everyone but Toyota left. 

The tire rules and DRS are an attempt to make the racing more interesting. I don't like the idea of "you have to run a tire that is not the best tire" but it works. I'll be happy to see the end of DRS. 

Yesterday, the news came from the Red Bull camp that they are going to have major upgrade in Hungary that suggests the gap at the front would be even bigger now. I don't think we are gonna see any team giving them a real competition this season.

Interesting rule change for this weekend, q1 will be on hard tires,, q2 on medium, q3 on softs. 

alfadriver said:

Interesting rule change for this weekend, q1 will be on hard tires,, q2 on medium, q3 on softs. 

A very odd rule.

In reply to Streetwiseguy :

Yeah, I don't see the point. It might give the Q1/Q2 exiting teams an advantage during the race as they'll have more new medium/soft tires available to them than the teams that make it to Q3.

Or maybe it's just to prevent the situation where someone posts a faster time in Q2 than Q3 and confuses casual viewers because they're further back the grid than that Q2 time would justify.

From an article I just read:

experimental tire rules in force this weekend, which have seen each car have its allocation of rubber cut from 13 to 11 sets for the round, including a halving of soft tires from eight to four.

If they were as concerned about reducing their carbon footprint as they pretend to be maybe give the field just one tire for all 3 quali sessions.....make them rock hard and no blankets either to save on power usage. :)

In reply to kevlarcorolla :

Tire heaters are supposed to go away. 

In reply to alfadriver :

Yep,sooner would be better. :)

 Best drivers in the world(supposedly),lets see them deal with it.

I think it also has to do with the number of tires Pirelli has to make and bring to all the races - this would cut down on their requirement by 160 tires per event, more than 3500 - 4000 per season.  Still, I agree, make the tires last longer, ditch the heaters, and let the drivers deal with it.

Checo's lost the ability to see the edge of the track...In the wall on the first hot lap of the weekend after touching the grass.

Ricciardo is in the car within weeks.

Who gets the Alpha Tauri?

Jim Pettengill said:

I think it also has to do with the number of tires Pirelli has to make and bring to all the races - this would cut down on their requirement by 160 tires per event, more than 3500 - 4000 per season.  Still, I agree, make the tires last longer, ditch the heaters, and let the drivers deal with it.

Yes, it's an attempt to make the sport look greener by hauling fewer tires around.

Pirelli could easily make a race tire that would last the length of the race and probably make more grip than the ones they're using now, the reason they don't is that the FIA wants the tires to behave this way in order to create more interesting races.  Tire degradation is the reason why undercuts exist, and without that you would see races in which nobody pits until there's a safety car, and then everyone does it at the same time.  No passing, no mixing up of the order except for the unfortunate ones who had to double-stack the pit stop.

Banning tire warmers sounds easy, but it opens up a lot of questions.  Is it legal to stack tires in the sun?  What about storing them next to the tank of pre-heated oil that they keep around for starting engines with?  Do you measure the temperature of each tire before it goes on the car?  Is that even practical?

At least with warmers it's the same for everyone and there aren't a zillion loophole cases causing after-race penalties that change the results.

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

The lack of tire warmers isn't an issue anywhere else, so it should not be here. 

Well done, Lewis!!  It's been a while. 
 

I'd bet Lando has a good chance to be 2nd at the start, but I don't see max not winning, sadly. 

In reply to Streetwiseguy :

While I love the Ricciardo enthusiasm, I'm pretty sure Checo is safe for now. Redbull want a 1-2 driver's championship this season and the points would start over for them if Checo was bumped. They're trying to shore Checo up to finish this campaign.. beyond this year though, I agree he's nowhere near safe.

That was a good quali. I don't know if it's because of the new tire rule, but an interesting side effect is that the top ten teams now have data on all three tires at qualifying pace. Lewis was talking about it in his interview a bit. 

Also, I'm so glad to see Lewis back on pole...barely. I think Max will take the race unless he does something stupid and desperate in the first lap, but that's pre-2022 Max. 2022+ Max is a little more settled. So he'll sit back for three laps and steam into first with DRS and run away. 

The fight for second could be spicy. 

This quali tire rule is exactly what this venue needs.....a true display of driver talent on a level playing field....bring it!!!!