Haas already had a front wing failure, better now then later...
Haas already had a front wing failure, better now then later...
ncjay wrote:Manor Racing MRT05
oldeskewltoy wrote:Keith Tanner wrote:Javelin wrote: In reply to ncjay: Wow, that HAAS actually looks really good!Surprisingly, it also looks a lot like the Ferrari
I see quite a bit different... beginning @ the nose... the HAAS is less penile shaped, also the HAAS nose(top of nose) is rounded where the Ferrari is flatter... and then the top of the car at the rear upper mount of the front suspension the HAAS has some "aero" bump? then going back to the air inlet, the Ferrari appears to be only mounted to the rear cowl, while the HAAS has some "aero" splitters supporting the rear?? The wheels are the same... and the entire insides are more or less Ferrari, but there does appear to be differences in the bodies/chassis.....
You're right that Hass (well, Dallara) makes their own bodywork and monocoque, but the two teams have been sharing airflow data and they have the same hard points. I'm looking at overall things like the shape of the side pods and air inlets, that spine down the engine cover and the like. The fine details of the front of the nose are impossible to make out when the cars are moving, honestly.
BTW, the two legs on the air inlet are part of the roll structure according to Racecar Engineering.
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/haas-vf-16/
interesting analysis of the details. (man I wish I could afford a sub to that...)
Racecar Engineering is reasonably priced in the digital edition. FYI.
From the technical review of the Manor. Check out the cardboard boxes holding up the control arms. Who here thinks that Mercedes/Ferrari/McLaren/etc have specially designed doodads to do this instead?
It's grassroots F1
Keith Tanner said:
BTW, the two legs on the air inlet are part of the roll structure according to Racecar Engineering.
Keith,
You are partially right with that. They are also the recovery points. You put the sling through there and then attach the sling to the lift bar on the recovery vehicle.
Here is an example from last year in Canada. Note, Typically you wouldn't lift the car that high and you would hold down the front to level it out but it was the clearest picture of the recovery setup at work.
Keith Tanner wrote: From the technical review of the Manor. Check out the cardboard boxes holding up the control arms. Who here thinks that Mercedes/Ferrari/McLaren/etc have specially designed doodads to do this instead? It's grassroots F1
agreed! 
Have you seen the new quali regs? Ugh, dont' follow NASCAR is crapping everything up.
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/14831484/f1-agrees-shake-qualifying-format
In reply to Adrian_Thompson:
I don't understand that format. Is it that the slow laps are eliminated, and that starts at X time?
So if in each session, you lay down a super fast lap right away, you can be done?
Adrian_Thompson wrote: Have you seen the new quali regs? Ugh, dont' follow NASCAR is crapping everything up. http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/14831484/f1-agrees-shake-qualifying-format
Actually... I kinda like that. Scratch that, I really like it. Forget waiting in the paddock until you have time for exactly one boring flyer. Qualy might actually get more interesting than the race. Hmmm...
alfadriver wrote: In reply to Adrian_Thompson: I don't understand that format. Is it that the slow laps are eliminated, and that starts at X time? So if in each session, you lay down a super fast lap right away, you can be done?
Essentially, but you can't just rest in the garage, if somebody else puts up a zinger, you have to get back out there before you're eliminated. The mid-pack guys will basically have to run all-out the entire session. With how much Ferrari and Williams are able to lay down one perfect lap, Mercedes wouldn't even be able to rest.
In reply to Javelin:
Kind of depends on when the fast laps start to matter, doesn't it? Still may last until the end where one flying lap matters...
Lay ONE flyer down, and as long as it's fast enough, just lap around fast enough. Until the end if things change.
Javelin wrote:alfadriver wrote: In reply to Adrian_Thompson: I don't understand that format. Is it that the slow laps are eliminated, and that starts at X time? So if in each session, you lay down a super fast lap right away, you can be done?Essentially, but you can't just rest in the garage, if somebody else puts up a zinger, you have to get back out there before you're eliminated. The mid-pack guys will basically have to run all-out the entire session. With how much Ferrari and Williams are able to lay down one perfect lap, Mercedes wouldn't even be able to rest.
Unless Mercedes puts down that one perfect lap.... Then they could rest.
alfadriver wrote:Javelin wrote:Unless Mercedes puts down that one perfect lap.... Then they could rest.alfadriver wrote: In reply to Adrian_Thompson: I don't understand that format. Is it that the slow laps are eliminated, and that starts at X time? So if in each session, you lay down a super fast lap right away, you can be done?Essentially, but you can't just rest in the garage, if somebody else puts up a zinger, you have to get back out there before you're eliminated. The mid-pack guys will basically have to run all-out the entire session. With how much Ferrari and Williams are able to lay down one perfect lap, Mercedes wouldn't even be able to rest.
Theoretically, until the end when Hammy and Rosberg would have to duel for the pole.
In reply to Javelin:
Which is how it is now.
Just that they are taking cars out DURING the session instead of just at the end. I think.
I very much am looking forward to the post ecclestone era.
Looking at the testing, the method that Haas is trying so that he can field a team appears to be quite effective.
Both Grosjean and Gutierrez are putting in a lot of laps. As fast as everyone else, for the most part.
Looks like they should be pretty well prepared to start the season.
Qualifying is usually based on just one lap, normally the best one. Why not make the best 3 laps count? Or the best lap and the worst lap. Mandatory you have to complete 5 full laps and they use your best and your worst. Even if you mess up on a lap, you still need to keep digging so as not to get yourself in a bigger hole.
I'd do one killer lap and then putter around the track at a slow delta to hold everyone else up.
Honda still having issues during testing. Hope they get them solved before Australia.
Noticed that today's test times had almost all the cars within a second or so of each other. Oh yeah, the Mercedes guys never used soft or super soft tires, so they're holding back a little.
Random F1 fact of the day. Wheel guns used for pit stops cost around $3300 a piece. Wheel nuts cost around $330 a piece. 24 nuts per car are made for each race and not reused.
HAAS - 281 laps.... placing them 13th(Gutierrez) and 15th(Grosjean)... BUT not having made a high speed run on a set of supersofts. One major failure (front wing), a brake issue, and a few niggling electronics bugs. Engine they ran with is "test spec" engine....
Toying with the idea of a McLaren vs Haas kind of season. New team with decent equipment vs legendary team struggling to regain form. The Ferrari engine seems capable enough if Haas can manufacture the systems capable of unleashing its full potential. Grosjean appears to be a decent enough driver. Guiterrez is a question mark to me. How good can he be? McLaren has a good car with a questionable engine and two very capable drivers. It will be interesting to see how the season unfolds for these two teams.
Javelin wrote:Adrian_Thompson wrote: Have you seen the new quali regs? Ugh, dont' follow NASCAR is crapping everything up. http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/14831484/f1-agrees-shake-qualifying-formatActually... I kinda like that. Scratch that, I really like it. Forget waiting in the paddock until you have time for exactly one boring flyer. Qualy might actually get more interesting than the race. Hmmm...
I'd like to see a 1 car at a time 2 lap World of Outlaw quali session. If you've ever seen the outlaws do that they idle out on track and pin it for a a couple of laps then they are done.
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