Very Interesting. These look like the same guys from the Best Motoring show I used to watch clips of years ago.
Anyways, I like the way the FRS/BRZ seem to perform.
I wish this video had subtitles, but enjoy anyways!
Very Interesting. These look like the same guys from the Best Motoring show I used to watch clips of years ago.
Anyways, I like the way the FRS/BRZ seem to perform.
I wish this video had subtitles, but enjoy anyways!
Observations:
I like how in the Toyobrus you can see in the digital read out what gear the car is in.
The Miata has traction control turned off (steady yellow light on dash) but on the BRZ the yellow light comes on some times. My guess is the 86 turned traction off and the BRZ did not which could have been a factor in the resulting 86's win.
I like the red shift light on the Toyobrus.
I am jealous of these little drivers who can fit in a Miata with a stock seat pulled forward and still fit in with a helmet.
I thought the Toyobrus were closer in size to the Miata? At some angles the Miata looked substantially smaller.
The Toyota was definitely looser than the Subaru, and both have much more power than the Miata. I have a feeling that if the the race went any longer than the few laps they drove, the Subaru would eventually get by due to the rear tires on the 86 overheating.
they are wider than the Miata.. and the Miata is significantly heavier. I would like to see this rebattled when the next gen Miata comes out.
In reply to mad_machine:
The Miata is significantly heavier? According to the mnfr websites the base Miata is 2447 lbs. and the BRZ is 2762...
But, yeah, this comparo will have to happen again with the ND.
Watching this video I can't help wondering how the Miata would have done with something other than the crappy stock shocks.
There is is a big difference between normal NC and one equipped with the MS-R package.
mad_machine wrote: and the Miata is significantly heavier.
No it's not. It has an unfavorable power to weight ratio compared to the Toyobaru though, and that track had a number of straights to let them use that power advantage.
DaveEstey wrote:mad_machine wrote: and the Miata is significantly heavier.No it's not. It has an unfavorable power to weight ratio compared to the Toyobaru though, and that track had a number of straights to let them use that power advantage.
Sorry yes.. got that wrong. I do understand that the next miata will be pared down in weight.. more like it's originator. Then it will be a fair fight
lol, OMFG a new lightweight sports car aimed at the Miata beat it in a 3 lap race! We must now begin the damage control to protect the Miata. Seriously this is no big deal, the comparo is between a mid-end life NC model vs a brand new Toybaru model aimed at the Miata, what did ya'll expect? As far the comments about adding aftermarket parts, that's sort of a moot point as this isn't spec racing, this is an off-the lot comparison.
Now price it underneath the Miata and give me a few more inches of room (I sit bolt upright in the NC and don't enjoy it one bit) and I'm game for the Toybaru...
That "race" was actually a show. With the aforementioned power/weight ratio of the BRZ/FRS, it should have easily passed it on any of the straights.
Also, remember that the BRZ/FRS come stock with TERRIBLE tires. What does the Miata come stock with?
And finally, you know B-Spec? How about a spec class for roadsters (S2000, Miata, BRZ/FRS, etc)? Obviously you'd have to have restrictions on some cars (power mods for the Miata, additional weight for the S2000), but that'd be a cool class! Depending on how old of vehicles were allowed, you could even have Z3's in there and the like.
In reply to HiTempguy:
Yeah, F-Spec Miata, I want to see Spec Roadster with multiple manufacturer entrants, it's why I like ALMS so much. That is my biggest complaint now with Aussie V8 Supercars, the bodies are near identical now it looks like 4-door NASCAR...
HiTempguy wrote: Also, remember that the BRZ/FRS come stock with TERRIBLE tires. What does the Miata come stock with?
Yep you can easily get A LOT more grip on the FRS/BRZ. It comes with crappy eco-tires that aren't as wide as they could be. Get some 8.5 wide wheels with sticky rubber and there should be a MASSIVE improvement.
GameboyRMH wrote: Yep you can easily get A LOT more grip on the FRS/BRZ. It comes with crappy eco-tires that aren't as wide as they could be. Get some 8.5 wide wheels with sticky rubber and there should be a MASSIVE improvement.
The NC can run 255/40R17 on 17x9. It is not clear that the FRS/BRZ will be able to run that size. Both cars come with 215/45R17s as the largest stock or optional size.
jstein77 wrote: The Toyota was definitely looser than the Subaru, and both have much more power than the Miata. I have a feeling that if the the race went any longer than the few laps they drove, the Subaru would eventually get by due to the rear tires on the 86 overheating.
I disagree...
and so does Jack Baruth
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/04/this-is-the-analysis-of-the-video-that-jalopnik-also-just-showed-you/
Pretty sure the twin/twin difference was just driver.
HStockSolo wrote:GameboyRMH wrote: Yep you can easily get A LOT more grip on the FRS/BRZ. It comes with crappy eco-tires that aren't as wide as they could be. Get some 8.5 wide wheels with sticky rubber and there should be a MASSIVE improvement.The NC can run 255/40R17 on 17x9. It is not clear that the FRS/BRZ will be able to run that size. Both cars come with 215/45R17s as the largest stock or optional size.
The NC can't run a 255 without fender pulling. 235 is more realistic on an unmodified body. Just FYI.
I just hope Mazda takes the toybaru twins seriously and engineers the new Miata to suit...
I also have this hope there will be a fastback version of the MX5.....
mad_machine wrote: I also have this hope there will be a fastback version of the MX5.....
That would be nice, especially with the discontinuation of the RX-8.
What I'd love to see is for Mazda to offer the Miata with either the 3.7 V6 or the 2.3T. They need a new halo car, and an extra 100hp in the Miata could certainly provide it.
Of course, I'm still waiting for a Mazdaspeed2. It just seems like it should be so easy to parts-bin one together by using the drivetrain from the Mazda3, and if they used the 2.0L SkyActiv motor, they should be able to at least maintain the 3's 40mpg highway rating even with sportier gear ratios.
Keith wrote: The NC can't run a 255 without fender pulling. 235 is more realistic on an unmodified body. Just FYI.
I know with rolling not pulling--I am sure the Tire Rack guys didn't violate the SCCA ST rules.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMsRYPRTUSY&feature=related
173whp @ 7000 and 143#/ft (also @ wheels) @ 2800
Both numbers are respectable for a 2700# coupe
ReverendDexter wrote:mad_machine wrote: I also have this hope there will be a fastback version of the MX5.....That would be nice, especially with the discontinuation of the RX-8. What I'd love to see is for Mazda to offer the Miata with either the 3.7 V6 or the 2.3T. They need a new halo car, and an extra 100hp in the Miata could certainly provide it.
I am hoping for a rotary version of the Miata.
I bet the 2.3t is a possibility.. but I do not see the V6 or Rotory being on the table
In reply to mad_machine:
I also doubt that Mazda would ever put a rotary in the Miata, but why no V6? Seems like 300hp is an easy way to put shut up a lot of people who look at the Miata as a "girl's car". Or does it just not fit? I've never seen an OHC V engine in a Miata, I could certainly understand a DOHC V being just too wide.
93EXCivic wrote:ReverendDexter wrote:I am hoping for a rotary version of the Miata.mad_machine wrote: I also have this hope there will be a fastback version of the MX5.....That would be nice, especially with the discontinuation of the RX-8. What I'd love to see is for Mazda to offer the Miata with either the 3.7 V6 or the 2.3T. They need a new halo car, and an extra 100hp in the Miata could certainly provide it.
YUCK!
Ever notice hw happy people get when the rotary gets replaced by something else...like 302 or LSx? There is a lesson to be learned here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxsY4lEGRBI
ReverendDexter wrote: In reply to mad_machine: I also doubt that Mazda would ever put a rotary in the Miata, but why no V6? Seems like 300hp is an easy way to put shut up a lot of people who look at the Miata as a "girl's car". Or does it just not fit? I've never seen an OHC V engine in a Miata, I could certainly understand a DOHC V being just too wide.
KL + Miata = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocQ_R5MO7Vc
Don't know if anyone has dropped a DOHC V6 into a newer one however.
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