Datsun1500 wrote:
Maroon92 wrote:
docwyte wrote:
Because the 370Z doesn't outperform the Cayman S?
I wasn't refering to the S. A base Cayman is near twice the price of a Zed, and its slower is almost any venue. Tweak a Z just a little, and it will be quicker than the Alligator S.
But you did say $40K for the Z and $80K for the Cayman. A base Cayman is $52K. How is that 2 times the Z price?
Funny how the anti-Porsche crowd constantly hyperinflates the prices.
On the other hand, why pay $40k for the Z when for $30k you can get 412hp Mustang GT?
forzav12 wrote:
plance1 wrote:
There was a guy I remember from a few years ago who managed a local Kroger store, he owned a early to mid 80's red porsche. He was a little shorter then most and had a well-coiffed hairdo with highlights.
I agree with Carguy to a degree, I've never been sure if 911's are for enthusiasts or posers. I think they are cars that everyone thinks are great but might not be, I prefer cars that most dismiss but are better than people think. My old 914 comes to mind. Most laughed and said it was just a volkswagen, I didn't care, it was a fun car.
911's not for enthusiasts? Not great cars? Maybe you should stop checking out the guys that drive them and actually try one yourself. Or maybe do a little research-I recommend reading about the 911's race history, numerous books, magazines(and not just the one's promoting crapcans) and perhaps interviewing drivers ,designers and collectors.
well, he was cute and he smelled nice too.
I could not make myself read through five pages of whining. But my first two cars were VW AC Beetles (a 56 and 61) with the bottom hindged peddles. I cannot understand what the big deal is. Also. all the tractors I've ever driven have them. Man up! I must say I've never driven a 911.
Funny how the anti-Porsche crowd constantly hyperinflates the prices.
On the other hand, why pay $40k for the Z when for $30k you can get 412hp Mustang GT?
Are you talking new Mustang? I poked around the Ford dealer on Sat. and nearly fell over at what a plain old Mustang GT goes for. The cheapest one I found was $36k, most averaged over $40k. That's insane. The 6cyl versions were in the low $30's though.
racerdave600 wrote:
Are you talking new Mustang? I poked around the Ford dealer on Sat. and nearly fell over at what a plain old Mustang GT goes for. The cheapest one I found was $36k, most averaged over $40k. That's insane. The 6cyl versions were in the low $30's though.
No kidding - I priced out a 302 Boss on the website and its $48k!?
Now - its a hot, honkin' fast car and all... but it's no screaming bargain over a Cayman or a 370Z.
How many 60's cars do you see on the race track? How many 70's cars? How many 80's cars?
What percent are Porsches?
That is the real gem in a Porsche. They are track cars you can drive on the street. Up until the Cayenne SUV every Porsche started life a street car and one day hoped to en up at the track. Most other cars are street cars than you can run at the track, but they just don't like it. You can mod them, but it is a constant battle.
Porsches are all track cars. Well balanced, poised and fast for their hp. There is reason the PCA is so large and has such a sucessfull track program.
racerdave600 wrote:
Are you talking new Mustang? I poked around the Ford dealer on Sat. and nearly fell over at what a plain old Mustang GT goes for. The cheapest one I found was $36k, most averaged over $40k. That's insane. The 6cyl versions were in the low $30's though.
A 5.0 GT with the correct options (Brembo package, 3.73 axle) is something like $31.9K. Finding one configured that way is difficult, although my friend found one on a lot in upstate NY with just those options.
Most of the cars you see on the dealer lot are loaded to the hilt, but that's universal across just about any make these days...
z31maniac wrote:
njansenv wrote:
Funny. I read the article, grabbed my wife to show it to her, and wanted a 911 EVEN MORE.
I'm >this< close to selling everything in the garage (ok, an M5 drivetrain and a engineless E30) to get one...before prices start climbing like they did on the E30 M3's I like so much. :)
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!
The answer is to put the M5 drivetrain IN the E30.
S38 E30 for massive cool points, crazy speed, and something rarer than a P car! Plus Alpina did it, so it's not a bastard child at all.
Well, I've looked at those newfangled 911's, but I can't warm up to them, too big, too heavy, too powerful, -- and SIX cylinders? Who needs to add 50% to their spark plug budget?
I don't know about any mystique, but I bought my 356SC in March of '75 for the princely sum of $600, and 36 years later I'm still driving it. In fact I drove it to California and back in February this year, 8600 miles in 30 days. Why, those nasty old bottom hinged pedals hardly even bother me anymore --
I've thought about getting a different sports car, maybe something really distinctive and totally awesome, like a Mustang, but I'm kinda used to this one now, I reckon it will just have to see me out.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
moTthediesel wrote:
I don't know about any mystique, but I bought my 356SC in March of '75 for the princely sum of $600, and 36 years later I'm still driving it. In fact I drove it to California and back in February this year, 8600 miles in 30 days.
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moTthediesel wrote:
Well, I've looked at those newfangled 911's, but I can't warm up to them, too big, too heavy, too powerful, -- and SIX cylinders? Who needs to add 50% to their spark plug budget?
I don't know about any mystique, but I bought my 356SC in March of '75 for the princely sum of $600, and 36 years later I'm still driving it. In fact I drove it to California and back in February this year, 8600 miles in 30 days. Why, those nasty old bottom hinged pedals hardly even bother me anymore --
I've thought about getting a different sports car, maybe something really distinctive and totally awesome, like a Mustang, but I'm kinda used to this one now, I reckon it will just have to see me out.
36 years, huh? Any plans for it when you're, uh..., done with it?
Woody wrote:
36 years, huh? Any plans for it when you're, uh..., done with it?
Done with it? When was Burt Munro "done" with his Scout?
minimac
SuperDork
5/26/11 8:42 a.m.
A Comment from the peanut gallery:
The only reason we got ours('82 SC), was Mrs. Mini always wanted a 911. I found one in great shape, at a price much lower than I was willing to pay. We didn't research them, we liked the looks. She took it for a drive and fell in love with it. We bought it. We drove the wheels off of it, with the only repair being front wheel bearings(we did both)because "something up there didn't feel quite right" in her words. I don't know(or care) if the air worked or not- between the windows down and/or the sunroof open it wasn't needed, nor was it wanted. I know it didn't smell like oil when the heat was on, heck, the only time we turned on the radio was if it was raining.And it did not leak oil! All we know was we wanted one, found one , drove the wheels off of one and loved it. It was cheap to own and operate and was fun. The only complaint she had was the 2 to 3 shift( she's short) and I could have fixed that with a short shift kit. She recently sold it, only because she almost doubled her money and she's practical that way. Did we meet some shiny happy owners? Yep.... just like the shiny happy Miata owner up the street or the shiny S2000 owner across town or the shiny Jag owner next door. Were they in the majority-no. Will we try another Porsche? Absolutely, if and when we find one we'd like at a price we'd pay.
And thanks David-the Mrs. was thrilled to see her comments on her car in print.
Woody wrote:
He's done with it now.
My point exactly -- but I hope to have time for some more mods designed expressly to lower it's collector value.
Then when I pass it will be worth no more than an old dead white guy.
My head agrees...but my less rational side really wants the Porsche.
Don't worry: the only way I can get much money for the pile 'o parts in the garage is to reassemble them anyway. S38 E30 here I come.
mr2peak wrote:
z31maniac wrote:
njansenv wrote:
Funny. I read the article, grabbed my wife to show it to her, and wanted a 911 EVEN MORE.
I'm >this< close to selling everything in the garage (ok, an M5 drivetrain and a engineless E30) to get one...before prices start climbing like they did on the E30 M3's I like so much. :)
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!
The answer is to put the M5 drivetrain IN the E30.
S38 E30 for massive cool points, crazy speed, and something rarer than a P car! Plus Alpina did it, so it's not a bastard child at all.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought the m5 motor should go in the e30.
I'm looking for a clean z06, I'm willing to deal with the small penis mystique.
I am normally down with silly swaps but an S38 E30 is going to be so nose heavy that you might as well put skinny tires on the front and a live axle under the rear. The S38 is a great motor but if it wasn't, you could still use it as an excellent anchor for the QE II. Anything that goes in the nose of one of these cars needs to be the same or lighter than the small sixes.
That is why I feel you should make a mid-engined S38 E30.
Excellent idea...but I lack your fab skills.
That said, I hope to offset the extra 70lbs at least partially with other weight redux. The S38 is reportedly only 30lbs heavier than the iron DOHC motors that people love to swap. :)
It's as much about having the parts "there and available" as anything else: when everything is said and done, it should be running with less than 3k total "investment". The motor was for sale, but no bites.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
I am normally down with silly swaps but an S38 E30 is going to be so nose heavy that you might as well put skinny tires on the front and a live axle under the rear. The S38 is a great motor but if it wasn't, you could still use it as an excellent anchor for the QE II. Anything that goes in the nose of one of these cars needs to be the same or lighter than the small sixes.
That is why I feel you should make a mid-engined S38 E30.
njansenv wrote:
I hope to offset the extra 70lbs at least partially with other weight redux. The S38 is reportedly only 30lbs heavier than the iron DOHC motors that people love to swap. :)
The small iron DOHC motors that we love to swap are about 60lbs heavier than the M20 they replace and the Tremec trans is heavier than the getrag 260. When you go S38 you add 30lbs on top of that. You also need more cooling which adds some weight way out on the nose. You can realistically cut almost the difference back out again if you lose ABS, hood springs, gut the bumpers, AC and PS and get a fiberglass hood from Ireland.
Don't get me wrong - the car will be a hoot to wail on - it just won't turn like it used to.
jrg77
Reader
5/28/11 3:16 a.m.
I had a college shop teacher take me for a ride in his '72. I had ZERO interest in them before that day. I thoroughly got it after 15 minutes as a passenger. I was primed to sell my soul for one until I read Dempsey's line that a DIY rebuild STARTS at $8k. Shoot. For that much I can have a 500 hp small block Chevy. Heck for $20k I could get close to sending one packing. Just pick a platform. Well, I had the engine, and the platform, but didn't finish the task.
Let me find the daylight to try again
carguy123 wrote:
forzav12 wrote:
candy azzes.
Porsches aren't about Ipods, where you store your coffee and a hermetically sealed environment. They require a driver-and a competent one at that. Some qualify, some don't.
That's the mystique talking.
"especially if you plan to take it to the track. ALL THE CONTROLS ARE IN THE WRONG PLACES. "
Have you taken one to the track?
I could never talk my wife into owning another, but if I did, it'd be a Boxster or whatever the hardtop version of the Boxster is called.
Never owned a Porsche but ...
There's never been a more successful racecar than the 911. Clearly they're doing something right.
