Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/30/21 11:46 a.m.

Bleeding the brakes on my 87 jag today, after having swapped the failing master cylinder, and all 3 rubber brake lines. Even got the pressure bleeder setup and took the old master cap and drilled a hole in it so I can adapt the pressure bleeder.

Rear brakes bled beautifully. 

Fronts, nothing comes out. Nothing. From either side. Pressure bleeder just holds pressure.

I loosened the line at the master that goes to the front. Fluid comes out. I can hook the pressure bleeder backward to both front caliper bleeders and it builds pressure without pushing any bubbles out at the master.

The hardline goes from the master to a t in the front circuit. That fitting is so gd tight that I'm starting to round the fitting. Fing perfect. So somewhere I've got a blocked line.

I feel like nothing ever is easy for me when bleeding brakes. GRRRRRR!

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/30/21 12:00 p.m.

Flex hoses, most likely.  Very common.

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
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1/30/21 12:06 p.m.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:

Flex hoses, most likely.  Very common.

Both brand new front flex hoses?

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
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1/30/21 12:17 p.m.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:
Pete. (l33t FS) said:

Flex hoses, most likely.  Very common.

Both brand new front flex hoses?

Well, it would appear you are correct. 

AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
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1/30/21 12:21 p.m.

If it is a front/rear split, try opening a front and a rear bleeder and pressurize again. It may have shuttled the mechanical "pressure differential valve", which will sometimes get stuck and not allow flow to both circuits. 
this is a bit of a PFA as I'm not familiar with the exact components on that car.

TurnerX19
TurnerX19 SuperDork
1/30/21 1:21 p.m.

Are the bleeder screws themselves plugged up? I have seen that many times. Pull them all the way out and make sure before you blame anything else.

NOT A TA
NOT A TA SuperDork
1/30/21 2:43 p.m.
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) said:

If it is a front/rear split, try opening a front and a rear bleeder and pressurize again. It may have shuttled the mechanical "pressure differential valve", which will sometimes get stuck and not allow flow to both circuits. 
this is a bit of a PFA as I'm not familiar with the exact components on that car.

 

This^^^^.

Sometimes you can get the valve to reset in the center by slamming the brake hard and fast several times. Not really sure why that works but it has for me on several 70's-80's American cars. There were also combination valves with a button on the end of them.

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Robbie (Forum Supporter)
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1/30/21 2:46 p.m.

Well I just got it fixed and quick test drive confirms brakes are great again. MBGA.

Anyway, everyone here was right around the issue but no one hit the bulls.

After pete's comment, I disconnected the flex lines on the car side. Both had plenty of fluid flow there - which is what prompted my comment. Plus, they were the only different part since the car rolled into the workbay, so easy to point fingers. 

However, I started taking them back out of the car, and I noticed that brake fluid was flowing through both no issue. Hmmm. So I put them back together. Filled the master back up and put some pressure on it with the bleeder. There's a hard line mounted to the caliper that goes from the flex line to the caliper. I cracked the end of it that goes to the caliper. Fluid. Double hmmm. Could it be the calipers?

I took the bleeders all the way out. Still no fluid. I poked a pick tool into the bleeder hole thinking something may be plugging it there. Still no fluid. I tried angrys advice and opened a rear bleeder at the same time, still plenty of fluid at the rear none at the front.

Finally, while seeing red I decided to show these calipers who was boss. By simply looking at the disks, I could tell the calipers were working before, they just aren't flowing fluid to the bleeder. Reinstalled bleeders, tight on driver side loose on passenger. Stomp pedal. At first pedal is hard but then I feel something release and the pedal goes down. Sure enough, tons of nasty fluid is coming out of the caliper now. Hooray! With the pressure bleeder i was able to get out all the nasty old fluid and bleed that side.

At this point, I thought angry had nailed it, and there was some sort of safety switch that might flip if you've only got pressure in front or rear circuit and I had just reset it. But... You guessed it still no fluid at the driver side bleeder. 

I repeated the stomp procedure with the exact same results. Weird. I'm thinking the brake fluid hasn't been serviced in years (decades?) And the calipers were gummed up by the bleeder ports or the fluid in the ports had turned to syrup.

But at least now the system is bled, the master and soft lines are all replaced, a ton of nasty fluid is eradicated from the front calipers, and the car drives great. Phew.

I've commented to my wife that bleeding brakes seems to always hit me with something weird. I feel nearly every single time that I do it that there is something in the system I'm not understanding, even though the systems are relatively simple. It's very frustrating. 

Anyway, thanks for listening. One of these times bleeding brakes will go easy for me. I'm sure of it.

WillG80
WillG80 GRM+ Memberand Reader
1/30/21 4:56 p.m.

I just came inside after bleeding the brakes on my e350 after swapping axles and flex lines (4x4 conversion). Two rears were easy, passenger front good, driver side...nothing. No fluid. Removed the bleeder and fluid poured out. Turns out it was plugged solid. I little cleaning with a piece of wire and it's good as new. 
 

I also used this check valve gizmo which lets you bleed brakes by yourself. Worked great!

https://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-08-0143-Hydraulic-Bleeder/dp/B000MXW2EM/ref=asc_df_B000MXW2EM/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312844081654&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15605587920343422983&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029178&hvtargid=pla-572002473796&psc=1

dj06482 (Forum Supporter)
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1/30/21 4:58 p.m.

Glad to hear it all worked out, what a pain!

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
1/30/21 5:43 p.m.

How far did you poke your pick into the bleed hole?  If it wasn't a couple of inches, it wasn't far enough.  There's nothing to hurt in there.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/30/21 10:11 p.m.

In reply to Streetwiseguy :

I'll take "quotes taken out of context" for $500, Alex

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
1/31/21 8:29 a.m.

In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :

I did not do that on purpose hardly at all, no sir, not me.

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/31/21 12:14 p.m.

Well, this is fun and all but to answer the real question I poked as far as I could. I couldnt really see well into the hole due to not being able to get my head in there but I couldnt tell if the pick diameter was too big or of the tip hit the back of something if you know what I mean. 

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