Noticed the other day the clock in my wife's 2007 CRV with Nav said it was 2002. Didn't think much of it, maybe a blown memory fuse or something. Had a customer with a 2011 CRV with Nav call me today with the same issue, a few minutes on google found this:
https://jalopnik.com/honda-clocks-are-stuck-20-years-in-the-past-and-this-mi-1848306970
Basically, a Y2K style bug. The funny part is that it's not the first time it's happened to Honda, but they can't change the code in the cars so, well, oops.
My Honda's clock is still accurate, but that's because it's just that and nothing else. Back in 1985, we didn't have those satellites to tell us what time it is...
Yeah, my friend that I sold the 2004 TSX to in 2019 told me he could no longer adjust the nav clock, and it wasn't picking up the DST/ST switch.
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After reading the article, the trouble with the TSX happened possibly after the January 2021 reset, if not before. It definitely didn't just start with 2022.
thats funny but my wife's chevy cruze can't keep time, the clock goes... slow
much like the car!
Thanks for the Jalopnik link, which explains my biggest question about this whole situation. I previously saw a shorter news item, which said that Honda didn't know how to fix the problem but were sure it would fix itself in August. Now I know how & why that (clearly ridiculous) statement makes sense.
Huh. The CRZ that was in last week came in, in part, because the calendar was stuck on 2002, and I didn't know about this.
Programming friends are questioning the accuracy of the Jalop article because the self-fix in August doesn't make sense, and thre was a GPS week rollover in 2019. But still, it smells like something went out of range and started over. With a few more bits, it'll come back into range?
Pretty funny problem, especially since there's absolutely nothing Honda can do to fix it as this code is probably burned right into the processors. I would not want to be a Honda shop having to explain multiple times a day that "your car has a bug, no, you can't just set the clock because it gets it from satellites, it'll probably fix itself in 9 months". The vast majority of owners will never hear about this so they'll bring their car in for a consultation if not service.
Good thing Honda doesn't sell many cars. Oh, no, wait...
If I recall the facts correctly, sometime in the past couple of years, the aviation GPS receiver my company made lost its mind when it saw a certain time. That was ugly.
Looks like it was back in 2019.
Now if only that means we could buy new S2000s again.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
It seems like some GPS units have an internal counter rollover issue like this that occurs on the same 1024 week cycle as the actual week counter rollover, but not at the same time.
In reply to MadScientistMatt :
I like your thinking!
I notified my boss and he's going to contact that car's owner. Without knowing about this, I assumed that the nav unit was losing memory keep-alive power. Oops. It was a secondary while-you-have-it concern, didn't waste a bunch of time on it.
I don't have a car clock that even knows what date it is.
rslifkin said:In reply to Keith Tanner :
It seems like some GPS units have an internal counter rollover issue like this that occurs on the same 1024 week cycle as the actual week counter rollover, but not at the same time.
Doesn't explain why it will fix itself in August, though. Of course, that could be the results of multiple people who don't quite understand the information they're relaying and eventually writing an article - the old game of telephone.
It's a whoopsie for sure. I'd say that the programmers involved forgot about Y2K, but it looks like it was probably coded just a few years later so that's no excuse.
fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:thats funny but my wife's chevy cruze can't keep time, the clock goes... slow
Our Sonic gives us the option of having it update automatically, or set manually. It seems to keep time OK.
From the article, This made me laugh
And it’s not just in the United States, as owners in Canada and even as far as the United Kingdom have all reported similar issues.
As long as the hour and minute still function it wouldn't bother me. I've never been driving and suddenly needed to know what year it was.
In reply to stuart in mn :
If it's like the CRZ, the clock resets to 4am every key cycle.
Easy, just plan your day to always start your trips at 4 AM. No problem.
Good thing nearly everyone has these weird devices in our pockets they we take with us everywhere and tell us those things.
I have some friends that are Honda techs still and they are already done with the people being fussy over this.
Im glad my hondas just tell time and have no dates
DirtyBird222 said:Good thing nearly everyone has these weird devices in our pockets they we take with us everywhere and tell us those things.
And it's a $500 fine and two points on your license if you use it while driving.
My FR-S ' clock is stuck 30 years in the past. The same tan LCD numbers as my old 87 4RUnner. Same Hour and Minute buttons, too. Uncanny .
My Jensen aftermarket gets it's time from GPS, but doesn't understand Daylight Savings Time. I have to adjust the time zone to make it accurate. It also gets lost with a vengeance in some towns, telling you to circle the block endlessly. Usually in a town I'm clueless about. Car play uses my phone, but the unit has an external GPS antenna. I might disconnect it and see if it works better.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:DirtyBird222 said:Good thing nearly everyone has these weird devices in our pockets they we take with us everywhere and tell us those things.
And it's a $500 fine and two points on your license if you use it while driving.
I think they've started making things you can wear on your wrist and they tell you the date and time. Some of them don't even need network access or a battery! Technology is awesome.
In-car clocks that make it easy to check the time and date - when that information is literally being broadcast everywhere through the ether - make a lot of sense. Until you screw up the math.
First rule of date-time programming: If you're doing it yourself - you're doing it wrong.
Someone didn't read the spec.
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