In reply to Tom1200 :
You don't know about that time we tried to break the forum by quoting quotes of quotes.
In reply to Tom1200 :
You don't know about that time we tried to break the forum by quoting quotes of quotes.
Appleseed said:In reply to Tom1200 :
You don't know about that time we tried to break the forum by quoting quotes of quotes.
Pretty sure it didn't go 57 pages.........
In reply to Tom1200 :
I think we got close to 57 quotes, though. 
frenchyd said:I'm sure things are very easy in Texas with regard oil. Not all states are the same.
Even in Texas I'm sure there are some cantankerous land holders who refuse to sell or allow access.
You keep wanting me to focus on drilling.
I granted you that. But I've read too much about delays and legal fights to agree that it is always a walk in the park.
These sorts of blanket statements you make are illinformed at best. If it were "easy" TX wouldn't have so many rigs and need so many wells. Now Saudi, there it is "easy." They poke a hole in the ground, oil rushes out.
Can you just admit it doesn't take 3 years to put in a well? It won't kill you. Can anyone speak or discuss anything from an honest position anymore?
In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
I'm sorry but people I trust have informed me otherwise.
but just to allow you to get past this. Yes it's takes a few seconds of paperwork and there never is a delay.
In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
All he wants is to argue.
In reply to racerfink :
Let's be honest, they both do. They're enjoying it.
Appleseed said:In reply to racerfink :
Let's be honest, they both do. They're enjoying it.
I won't lie. I enjoy a good argument. This, however, doesn't qualify as good. Arguing with someone that can't admit 10-12 > 0.125 to 0.33 just shows how bad this is.
Sorry, people that can't or won't supply verifiable data do not win any arguments. A typical well in ND takes about a month to drill, but that is not the whole story.
Let's look at North Dakota's Bakken and Three Forks oil wells because unlike backwards Texas, they know how to winterize their energy infrastructure; oil, gas and wind.
2013: Bakken 5-Year Drilling and Completion Trends
Production Decline Curve Analysis in the Annual Energy Outlook 2023
After 5 years, these wells are barely producing. Edit: Hence, why it is a lot funner to pump oil at $100/bbl instead of $30.
And as far as never running out of oil, All of North Dakota's oil reserves combined don't equal one year of US oil consumption. North Dakota Bakken and Three Forks recoverable oil; 4.3 billion barrels of oil. Total US oil consumption 2021; 6.8 billion barrels.
In reply to VolvoHeretic :
A month is 4 weeks. That means you are drilling 13 wells per year per rig. 13 >> than 0.125 or 0.33. So your data proves my point too. It also agrees with the data I linked. What a surprise.
Nice try calling TX backwards and ND amaze balls though. It's a red herring fail at argumentation.
The US has already produced over 10x the oil counted as official reserves on the books. Reserves are funny because it's always too conservative for investment purposes and people being afraid for their job. There are still some spectacular failures though.
And yes anyone familiar with unconventional wells knows about steep decline curves. That's all part of the equation and technology.
TX and and are both just fine. The average person in this country and abroad couldn't remember enough lines to get a job as an extra on Idiocracy 2 though.
This no carbon nonsense is literally stupid and will force a societal collapse. But by all mean, continue if you choose. Unfortunately the Constitution allows for full freedom in this respect.
racerfink said:In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
All he wants is to argue.
I think Frenchy want's discussion and debate, not arguing- I've never seen him try to act haughty about something. Anthony tho, he'll act superior even when his own "evidence" contradicts him lmao
In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :
They both want to argue. If you want discussion and debate you don't ignore almost every direct question you are asked.
GIRTHQUAKE said:racerfink said:In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
All he wants is to argue.
I think Frenchy want's discussion and debate, not arguing- I've never seen him try to act haughty about something. Anthony tho, he'll act superior even when his own "evidence" contradicts him lmao
You love making statements like this while providing zero evidence. Irony much?
So we all agree it doesn't take 3+ years to develop an oil or gas well? I know... maths are hard.
GIRTHQUAKE said:racerfink said:In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
All he wants is to argue.
I think Frenchy want's discussion and debate, not arguing- I've never seen him try to act haughty about something. Anthony tho, he'll act superior even when his own "evidence" contradicts him lmao
Really? Well selective criticism and personal bias don't look good on you.
frenchyd said:
In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
I'm sorry but people I trust have informed me otherwise.
but just to allow you to get past this. Yes it's takes a few seconds of paperwork and there never is a delay.
No condescension there at all. Nope.
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to VolvoHeretic :
Nice try calling TX backwards and ND amaze balls though. It's a red herring fail at argumentation.
I don't follow Texas except when they hit the national news after freezing to death hundreds of their citizens because they are too cheap to winterize their infrastructure even though they regularly have below 0 degree F. winter temperatures and do not have any way of hooking up to the US grid when things fall apart. And then it's citizens re-elect the same politicians who did it to them. Yep, pretty backwards.
VolvoHeretic said:AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to VolvoHeretic :
Nice try calling TX backwards and ND amaze balls though. It's a red herring fail at argumentation.
I don't follow Texas except when they hit the national news after freezing to death hundreds of their citizens because they are too cheap to winterize their infrastructure even though they regularly have below 0 degree F. winter temperatures and do not have any way of hooking up to the US grid when things fall apart. And then it's citizens re-elect the same politicians who did it to them. Yep, pretty backwards.
It's an interesting point of view but the details of the situation exceed that simplicity.
1) As Frenchy loves to point out TX leads the nation in " renewable" power.
2) I've stated numerous times there is a vast difference in renewable power and reliable power. Sadly most people can't even grasp this concept.
3). No one is investing in the energy grid or real infrastructure.
4) Due a variety of political reason that cannot be discussed in this forum (yes due to fear), the population of TX is growing more rapidly than other places. More people = more electricity desired. Care to check my math on that? Do I need to post a NYT article for it?
5). Winter storm Uri was the first time every county in TX froze at the same time. It's never happened before. In case you didn't know the farthest south portion of TX is about the same distance from the tropics as Miami. Ever hear if all of FL freezing.
Lastly, the I observation that I enjoy a good debate is true. Sadly this places doesn't offer that very often. It shows promise at times but then the censorship starts and stupid insults. Those tactics only make me question the intelligence of the poster. If that's "condescending" not really a big deal to me. Common sense should be common, but sadly todays society praises people and thoughts that are frankly stupid. I'm not willing to bend the knee to stupid ideas.
Steve_Jones said:In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :
They both want to argue. If you want discussion and debate you don't ignore almost every direct question you are asked.
Hm, true. But I don't think I've ever seen Frenchy mad, Have you?
In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :
Yes, when we told him not to saddle his granddaughter with a car payment. I'm not sure either is "angry" here, as people read bias into usernames. It's entertaining to watch as we all know no one will suddenly decide "the other guy has a point"
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:Lastly, the I observation that I enjoy a good debate is true. Sadly this places doesn't offer that very often. It shows promise at times but then the censorship starts and stupid insults. Those tactics only make me question the intelligence of the poster. If that's "condescending" not really a big deal to me. Common sense should be common, but sadly todays society praises people and thoughts that are frankly stupid. I'm not willing to bend the knee to stupid ideas.
Well thank goodness you're not unyielding in your opinions. LOL.
There is plenty of debate on this site but as I've noted it's also a haven from the hyper politized rhetoric much of the internet thrives on. When people stray from that there will be multiple people calling that out.
Steve_Jones said:In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :
Yes, when we told him not to saddle his granddaughter with a car payment.
Huh, I didn't participate in that one.
Steve_Jones said:In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :
Yes, when we told him not to saddle his granddaughter with a car payment. I'm not sure either is "angry" here, as people read bias into usernames. It's entertaining to watch as we all know no one will suddenly decide "the other guy has a point"
MAD? I listen to the group. Asked her if she wanted to do that. When she told me no I moved on.
Just because I believe that was a smart move doesn't mean others have to agree with me.
I found a good cheap car that only cost $500 and gave it to her. She doesn't have a place to park it so it remains here.
Tom1200 said:AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:Lastly, the I observation that I enjoy a good debate is true. Sadly this places doesn't offer that very often. It shows promise at times but then the censorship starts and stupid insults. Those tactics only make me question the intelligence of the poster. If that's "condescending" not really a big deal to me. Common sense should be common, but sadly todays society praises people and thoughts that are frankly stupid. I'm not willing to bend the knee to stupid ideas.
Well thank goodness you're not unyielding in your opinions. LOL.
There is plenty of debate on this site but as I've noted it's also a haven from the hyper politized rhetoric much of the internet thrives on. When people stray from that there will be multiple people calling that out.
I understand your point. I also disagree a bit (shocker). I agree there is too much hyperpoliticized rhetoric. Where I differ is I think the average poster here cannot have an open or honest discussion and try to find common ground. One side can pretty much say whatever they want and insult anyone without consequence. As a matter of fact they often get praised for it for going along with their side. Any different views get censored and downvoted. And a whole slew of silly tactics get employed to try and shut anyone up that disagrees or shame them into silence. As you can see, those tactics don't work in my case. I know you think it's "calling people out." That's just a euphemism for bad behavior in this case. Everything I have ever been accused of by anyone here is done worse by others and cheered on because it supports the popular opinion. Being popular has nothing to do with truth.
So yes, I am unyielding. I know that can be a weakness, but it can also be a strength. I don't see other posters acknowledging they have weaknesses and strengths, do you?
And for anyone that thinks I'm in "the wrong" here still. Let me point out the last 5+ pages are a result that I disagreed with Frenchy that it takes 3 to 8 years to make productive oil and gas wells. Every single poster here now knows that is in fact false. Yet only one person is on record saying it's false: this guy. So keep coming at me if you like. If you really want me to stop there are two ways. Agree and admit it when I'm right or prove I'm wrong. It's easy. When I'm wrong I'm glad to learn from it and move on. Sadly, most people can't do it. The pathetic part is this is a simple topic. It's not nearly as difficult as the one of many topics that cannot be discussed here.
Oh and Happy Father's Day to the fathers out there.
So 5+ pages because zero people on this site can admit 10-12 is much greater than 0.125 (1/8) to 0.33 (1/3). Yes 10-12 per year doesn't matter compared to 1 every 3 to 8 years by that logic. The only thing that matters is popularity and posting in an approved manner and tone. Call me crazy but if that is what is needed to be considered cool and hip here, I just can't do it. I can't set aside simple verifiable facts in order to just get along. My mind doesn't work that way, and I'm not willing to spend the time to reprogram it to do that. You may see this as a character flaw. I see it as a sign society is completely dysfunctional or well on that path.
I'm not correct all the time. I'm not the nicest person on GRM. That's probably Stampie. None of that changed my stance on how long it takes to drill and complete wells. I spent 11 years analyzing borehole data from all over the world. I'm not falling for "my trusted sources" on this issue.
I 'm going to get back to EV's. Someone said America as doing nothing about the Grid.
So far this year Solar is 57% ahead of last year which was a record breaker..
Lots of little sources equal a big power plant without the distribution issues.
In addition the Tesla Power walls are making homes more and more self dependent . We all have seen the Ford commercials about their lightening back feeding a homes power Turns out there is a company ( forgot the name, I'll check) that even allows Tesla's or other brands to do he same thing.
in addition to that Tesla is using their mega packs to provide reliable power to areas. The Tesla factory in Texas is one example.
It's not charity it's a solid business deal.
Elon Musk buys surplus energy when its cheap to charge the Megapac. Then when there is an electrical shortage he sells his surplus back to the grid at the now much higher rate. That whole industry which is brand new can be as much as 1 Trillion dollars. ( part of the reason Tesla's stock has gone up so much )
The one at he Tesla factory will run a city
Elon Musk has already sold that around the world. In Australia they were going to shut down a coal power plant in 100 days and he got a fully renewable site up and running in that 100 days.
Since the beginning of the year . America has shut down 22TWH worth of coal plants
Between Solar, wind, and water. America has 369 TWH
while coal only provides 149 TWH
So when it's said the reliable power can't come from renewables. Maybe not completely yet. But soon!!
Solar is a power source. It is not the grid! The grid is the distribution network for the power sources. A coal plant, gas plant, and nuclear plant are also not the grid. Each supplies energy to the grid. The grid is a network of wires and substations to distribute that power to all the users.
And no major money is not being spent on the grid. Just track blackouts over time in the US. The grid is in near 100% reactive maintenance just going to failure after failure. A proactive strategy of upgrades, maintenance and repair is not happening. I know this too because I interact with major utilities in my new job.
One company I interviewed with reverse engineers and repairs failed grid and distribution equipment. They have to do this because a lot of the electrical infrastructure (the grid) is old and the companies that built it do not exist anymore.
So yah, the grid isn't being managed in a way that supports the all EV dream. There was a Berkeley (yes ultra liberal pro EV Berkeley) that said California's grid capacity needs to increase 20% to meet their EV goals. I'm sure you'll try and blame this on me though and give me some nonsense about "your sources." Or perhaps you'll try and explain to me how solar panels are "the grid."
frenchyd said:Steve_Jones said:In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :
Yes, when we told him not to saddle his granddaughter with a car payment. I'm not sure either is "angry" here, as people read bias into usernames. It's entertaining to watch as we all know no one will suddenly decide "the other guy has a point"
MAD? I listen to the group. Asked her if she wanted to do that. When she told me no I moved on.
Just because I believe that was a smart move doesn't mean others have to agree with me.
I found a good cheap car that only cost $500 and gave it to her. She doesn't have a place to park it so it remains here.
100% revising that history. You were dead set on doing it wether she wanted to or not. I'd show you but you deleted the thread. Nothing to do with this thread, but your answer is BS.
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