Bobzilla wrote: Did I mention I also want it for $9k? Naked, upright, $9k.
This sounds like a conversation i had last week with my doctor.
Bobzilla wrote: Did I mention I also want it for $9k? Naked, upright, $9k.
This sounds like a conversation i had last week with my doctor.
Swank Force One wrote:Bobzilla wrote: Did I mention I also want it for $9k? Naked, upright, $9k.This sounds like a conversation i had last week with my doctor.
PLease do not share the rest of that conversation with us.
Bobzilla wrote: Did I mention I also want it for $9k? Naked, upright, $9k.
MSRP under $8k
aussiesmg wrote:Bumboclot wrote: I like those ducted brakes.Those brake discs have more material and would appear to have more cooling time when the caliper is not touching them, in my amateur mind it would make for more brake cooling when the brakes are being applied. Is this correct?
Time will be the same: still turning the same number of RPMs as the hub, right?
But it certainly is more area. OTOH, it's doing the work of both "normal" disks, so for a given stop, it needs to sink and then get rid of twice the heat energy as one normal disk.
Only math involving inputs I don't know can tell us whether it's a net win. The mass is on a larger diameter, increasing its impact on acceleration and gyroscopic effects (I think), but it may be lighter than the pair of normal disks.
I bet Buell has an explanation somewhere...
In theory it would allow the wheel to be lighter than those on radial braked bikes as the hub wouldn't have to be as "meaty" and also in theory should be able to put more leverage on an outer rim brake disc as its closer to the rotational force.
That's just what my "internal genius" is figuring though.
In reply to yamaha:
It should indeed take less clamping force to get a given braking force at the tire by simple leverage. That said, again, this disc is doing both disks' jobs... But it's doing them with one caliper, so there's some weight lost there!
I think the funniest thing (and I mean genuinely funny; I have no idea what the "right answers" are) is that this is going on on motorcycles as bicycles are reaching toward greater and greater adoption of disc brakes, just starting now on road bikes. They've been able to lighten the rims because they no longer have to act as a braking surface, but in turn have to carry discs, and have to have more spokes and lace the front wheels to carry torque (which a lot of aero wheels didn't for a while there with radial lacing). It's also a bonus for the work with carbon fiber rims, which don't naturally provide a good braking surface... Which in turn makes me wonder whether any of the bike wheel folks have thought to talk to the clutch and brake folks about carbon friction material...
At least it's got a proper exhaust pipe and not that Midas can hung under the frame...
I visited the Buell factory when I was a senior in college, the Buell was the only HD I ever liked so i made that the focal point of my senior project. They gave me a tour but I don't remember meeting Erik. I don't know what happened between him and HD but oh well.
Glad to see he's doing something.
The problem with the perimeter disc isn't performance it is feel. Riders say it really wants to stand the bike up when braking in a corner.
So...the brakes work too well?
I was at a Buell meet and greet in 99 or 00 at Summit Point. I was riding a '98 S3 at the time. My friends got there early-ish and I showed up to see them clustered together and talking to another rider. That rider was.....Erik Buell. Genuinely nice and down to earth guy. We talked for about 45 mins. He told us some old racing stories and about owning a turbo'ed S2.
Later that day in between AMA races the Buell riders were invited on the course for a parade lap. The guy leading the lap was a Buell racing privateer on an X1. It was the fastest 3 parade laps I've ever had. 
SEADave wrote:Bobzilla wrote: Did I mention I also want it for $9k? Naked, upright, $9k.
Ummm...what is that?
Appleseed wrote: So...the brakes work too well?
I think he means stand the bike up rite not stand the bike up on the front wheel. Although any motorcycle will stand up while leaned over if you get on the brakes in a corner or even if the throttle is suddenly released. Maybe it's exacerbated by the perimeter brakes?
nicksta43 wrote:SEADave wrote:Ummm...what is that?Bobzilla wrote: Did I mention I also want it for $9k? Naked, upright, $9k.
Looks like a Yamaha XJ6. I cheated and checked the googles.
The 1190 motor is based on the Rotax/Buell 1125. EBR bought the rights to that design--its now "their" motor. All of the castings say "EBR" not Rotax.
The "street" bike that you see is detuned from the race bike by running a lower CR via thicker head gaskets. Its also a bit heavier through the use of less exotic materials. But that is about it.
There will be more to come...as in other bikes. Soon too.
In reply to Graefin10:
Why oh why can't we have nice things
So many awesome things sold all over the world and we can't have them.
Anyway on topic I really hope Buell does well.
yamaha wrote: In theory it would allow the wheel to be lighter than those on radial braked bikes as the hub wouldn't have to be as "meaty" and also in theory should be able to put more leverage on an outer rim brake disc as its closer to the rotational force. That's just what my "internal genius" is figuring though.
Buell called the "Zero Torsional Load" front wheel/brake system. There is lots of stuff written about it.
In sum...The ZTL consists of a 375mm rotor mounted to the wheel's perimeter and a 6-piston caliper. when applied, it transfers braking forces directly to the rim instead of through the spokes. Without the need for load-bearing 'spokes' or even second disc, the bike's front end weighs in about 5-6lbs lighter than what you would find on most duel disc set-ups
In reply to nicksta43:
Actually that is the new for 2014 FZ-09. Naked 850cc triple. Definitely being sold in the US. Sorry about derailing the thread, just wanted to respond to Bob's request for a cool naked bike for under $9k.
In reply to SEADave:
Oh man, that is exactly what I need. Same msrp as my sporty. I would say I wish I would have waited but I wouldn't even know I wanted something like that if I didn't get the sporty. I know I've said I'll never get rid of it but that would fit my needs so much better...
kind of surprised Erik would have let it be that heavy. Seems like the kind of engineer that would want the lightest bike in the class. Cool though, good for him.
In reply to carbon:
There will undoubtedly be special editions.......I just wonder if he is planning a street bike to go after the mv F4 RR with its 205hp......
In reply to carbon:
I imagine he would, but this one already costs over $18k... More carbon? Titanium? FEA time? It's probably not getting significantly lighter without also getting significantly pricier...
carbon wrote: kind of surprised Erik would have let it be that heavy. Seems like the kind of engineer that would want the lightest bike in the class. Cool though, good for him.
I asked that too...but it's a 'real' weight. From what I was told, the other guys like Ducati, take every oz. of fluid...like even the fork oil out.
Visually the Buell looks pretty tight and compact, unlike the great bloody pig Hayabusa (I'm just speaking about looks here).
Just as a side - I'd think that the wind pressure and buffeting that you'd get on a "naked" bike at speeds would be pretty unpleasant. My experience is all with dirt bikes, where 60 MPH is about as fast as we ever got, and most of the time it would be 1/2 that.
What's the experience like?
You'll need to log in to post.
