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grafmiata
grafmiata Dork
6/3/10 12:26 a.m.
benzbaron wrote: Maybe ask about what Chrysler is going to do to expand their export market. Unlike Ford and GM, Chrysler has a very small export market. Will the link up with Fiat provide a platform for Chrysler to import their vehicles into Europe and other countries or is the focus in importing Fiats into the US?

Unfortunately, in the near-term, there's not alot they can do to expand overseas market share. The Caliber is the only car they offer right now that is small enough to work in alot of other countries, but if it's a piece-o-crap here, it would be seen as an even BIGGER piece-o-crap elsewhere.

The only recent Chrysler product that has really made any impact anywhere was the Viper, due to it having some success at LeMans. Even then, since it was a race car, its popularity was more of a novelty thing... It was big, loud, and didn't make alot of sense to them. But they somehow found it fun to watch. Kinda how they feel about us as people.

Right now, Chrysler really needs Fiat-based platforms just to update their domestic offerings. Once the U.S. catalog is where it needs to be, then hopefully they will have something that will succeed in other markets.

That being said, Fiat has really been pushing export sales for Jeeps since the partnership started. We've been building alot more RHD diesel Wrangler's over the last several months, and we're getting alot of orders from South America, where Chrysler never really had any type of dealership network to speak of from what I understand.

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wrenchedexcess
wrenchedexcess New Reader
6/3/10 1:39 a.m.

First of all Gingerman is a cool track, lots of runoff room. Second, you are not that far from the Autobahn Country Club. I am working there Saturday flagging.

My questions are, is Dodge going to bring back the B250 van and will they have a CNG program again. The reason I bring this up is because I am a fleet tech and until Dodge discontinued the B250, it was the bulk of our fleet vehicles. Most of them ran on CNG (compressed natural gas) Their system was the best in the business. Easy to work on and maintain, compared to the ones from Ford and GM, when they did work. I do have one suggestion if they bring back CNG, tell the engineers to PLEASE do not bury the high pressure regulator above the CNG tanks, put it back on the other side, they way it used to be in the late 90's and if you must use aluminum shielding to protect the tanks, could they please use something other than a T40 torx head bolt. I have a tool box full of broken torx bits because the bolts oxidized to the point of being extremely hard to remove when you are trying to service a shut off valve, high pressure regulator or quick fill line.

Last July I bought my wife a 09 Jeep Patriot and she loves it.

Thank You

Kevin (The Colonel) Sweeney

Vigo
Vigo HalfDork
6/3/10 10:57 a.m.

Lots of thoughts for me here..

Speed Density- Works well, and cheap. MPG (as far as the drivetrain has to do with it) has more to do with the tuning then the hardware. Even beyond the map sensor and regarding the engine its hooked to.

Ultimately, i think if the new Dodge is to succeed, they should look back to the Dodge of the mid-90s up to the D-B takeover for inspiration. That was a golden age for ChryCo for several reasons, but the main one was product: They were very competitive and cohesive. Dodge definitely had a brand image. Hop in the way-back machine and think about the smash-hit releases in that time period:

92- Viper, nuff said?

93- LH cars (intrepid et al) were light years ahead of taurus, lumina, impala, crown vic in both styling and dynamics. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Before there was Rx300, there was grand cherokee. Big available power and off-road potential, while showing that entry-lux small/midsize SUV was going to be a big ticket item.

94- Neon.. wow. Brought fun back to cheap. Great mileage, handling, acceleration, etc. Ram...wow. Turned the entire truck market on its ear, and every current full-size truck sold shows lineage from this design.

95- Cloud cars (stratus/cirrus/breeze) with nice styling, ride, interior, etc. Blew Contour out of the water in everything but acceleration. Regarded at the time to be an excellent design. Avenger/Sebring- not a smash hit but noteworthy because the Avenger had a beautiful brand-image Dodge front end that could have been the cornerstone of a high-performance midsize halo car(IF the car had been sold with a strong engine, it would have been every bit the success its Eclipse/Talon platform mates were.) The same basic styling plus a strong RWD drivetrain worked for the GTO many years later..

96- Minivans.. an incredibly superior design in 96.. this one shut the competition down so bad that they never really got back in the game.. Part of the reason we have Acadia's and Traverses now is because this design pretty much pushed the other domestics out of the minivan market and forced them to reskin as crossovers (i.e. Pacifica?).

97- Prowler. Incredibly important because it symbolized that Chryco would go where others wouldnt, and a shining example that Chryco could build something so desireable (to whom is another issue) that Honda got nothing on its resale value. Dakota- An awesome truck in 97.. The 4.7L v8 and the R/t were notably neato.. turning radius was impressive. Styling was FAR ahead of 97 s10, ranger, tacoma, etc.

You can tell by now with the dodge stuff that even if you didnt like the styling, they had brand identity coming through in SPADES and in most cases offered more performance than competitors.. but things started to fall apart right here. Daimler buys Chrysler. 98 shows some stuff that was already in the pipeline..

98- New LH cars. Impressive stuff at the time, massive cars rated 28mpg hwy, comfy, good performance, etc. 250hp 3.5 v6 was highest rated n/a v6 sold, for a time! 300m was a styling, image, sales success. But then what? 2.7L v6 fiasco.. so bad there arent many left running. Did HUUUGE damage to Chrysler's reliability reputation and was not stopped until it was too late.. Why??

Also, chrysler powertrains began to stagnate at this point.. 250hp 3.5 in 98.... 235hp 3.5 in 2010? In that same time period, nissans VQ v6 went from 190 hp to 337!!!!

Also in 98, the biggest mistake ChryCo made in the 90s.. NOT producing the Copperhead. Copperhead could have and WOULD have been the midsize high-performance rwd halo car that everyone is still talking about. Demon, Razor? Bland after-thoughts to the Copperhead. Copperhead had A-berkeleying-STOUNDING styling, right size, right weight, right-wheel-drive, right EVERYTHING. It foretold the future success of SO many who also brought the right size, weight, styling, and rwd.. s2000, 350z, Solstice, Sky, NC Miata, rx-8, and others. An entire segment exploded around the concept of what this car could have been. It could have been the originator.. but now 12 years later we're asking why dodge still hasn't built something comparatively half-assed like the Razor? Gimme a break! Copperhead is the biggest mistake ChryCo made, that essentially gave away what had made Chryco special (the willingness to build Dodge..DIFFERENT) and marked the end of what had been an astounding run of smash-hit releases.

After that, there havent been many bright spots.. the PT cruiser was an incredible success sold mostly unchanged for most of a decade, and if the 2005-present mustang sent a royalty check to chrysler for proving retro would work with every sale, things might be different right now . Dodge had an awesome RWD concept Charger in 99 that never made it. The eventual LX cars have been a great success, but look at the 2011 charger.. the whole rear flanks area looks strikingly similar to the 99 concept.. onward, to what could have been and will eventually be!

So, i would say going forward with Dodge, look back to what worked then... STRONG brand identity, performance, excitement, willingness to do what others wouldnt (viper, prowler, dakota r/t, etc), and actually start innovating again!

Rob_Mopar
Rob_Mopar Reader
6/3/10 11:11 a.m.
Tim Suddard wrote: I am on my way to Gingerman raceway to drive the new Viper ACR-X. I know, tough job, but someone has to do it. Anyway, I am also going to interview Ralph Gilles, new president of Dodge and interestingly enough, an avid reader of GRM and a long time racer. Anything you want to know? Please keep it real, fairly nice, and I already was trying to figure out how to ask him... Caliber WTF?

Tim, did the interview happen yet? Was the Viper used as a distraction from tough questions?

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
6/3/10 11:45 a.m.
Vigo wrote: Lots of thoughts for me here.. Speed Density- Works well, and cheap. MPG (as far as the drivetrain has to do with it) has more to do with the tuning then the hardware. Even beyond the map sensor and regarding the engine its hooked to. Ultimately, i think if the new Dodge is to succeed, they should look back to the Dodge of the mid-90s up to the D-B takeover for inspiration. That was a golden age for ChryCo for several reasons, but the main one was product: They were very competitive and cohesive. Dodge definitely had a brand image. Hop in the way-back machine and think about the smash-hit releases in that time period: 92- Viper, nuff said? 93- LH cars (intrepid et al) were light years ahead of taurus, lumina, impala, crown vic in both styling and dynamics. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Before there was Rx300, there was grand cherokee. Big available power and off-road potential, while showing that entry-lux small/midsize SUV was going to be a big ticket item. 94- Neon.. wow. Brought fun back to cheap. Great mileage, handling, acceleration, etc. Ram...wow. Turned the entire truck market on its ear, and every current full-size truck sold shows lineage from this design. 95- Cloud cars (stratus/cirrus/breeze) with nice styling, ride, interior, etc. Blew Contour out of the water in everything but acceleration. Regarded at the time to be an excellent design. Avenger/Sebring- not a smash hit but noteworthy because the Avenger had a beautiful brand-image Dodge front end that could have been the cornerstone of a high-performance midsize halo car(IF the car had been sold with a strong engine, it would have been every bit the success its Eclipse/Talon platform mates were.) The same basic styling plus a strong RWD drivetrain worked for the GTO many years later.. 96- Minivans.. an incredibly superior design in 96.. this one shut the competition down so bad that they never really got back in the game.. Part of the reason we have Acadia's and Traverses now is because this design pretty much pushed the other domestics out of the minivan market and forced them to reskin as crossovers (i.e. Pacifica?). 97- Prowler. Incredibly important because it symbolized that Chryco would go where others wouldnt, and a shining example that Chryco could build something so desireable (to whom is another issue) that Honda got nothing on its resale value. Dakota- An awesome truck in 97.. The 4.7L v8 and the R/t were notably neato.. turning radius was impressive. Styling was FAR ahead of 97 s10, ranger, tacoma, etc. You can tell by now with the dodge stuff that even if you didnt like the styling, they had brand identity coming through in SPADES and in most cases offered more performance than competitors.. but things started to fall apart right here. Daimler buys Chrysler. 98 shows some stuff that was already in the pipeline.. 98- New LH cars. Impressive stuff at the time, massive cars rated 28mpg hwy, comfy, good performance, etc. 250hp 3.5 v6 was highest rated n/a v6 sold, for a time! 300m was a styling, image, sales success. But then what? 2.7L v6 fiasco.. so bad there arent many left running. Did HUUUGE damage to Chrysler's reliability reputation and was not stopped until it was too late.. Why?? Also, chrysler powertrains began to stagnate at this point.. 250hp 3.5 in 98.... 235hp 3.5 in 2010? In that same time period, nissans VQ v6 went from 190 hp to 337!!!! Also in 98, the biggest mistake ChryCo made in the 90s.. NOT producing the Copperhead. Copperhead could have and WOULD have been the midsize high-performance rwd halo car that everyone is still talking about. Demon, Razor? Bland after-thoughts to the Copperhead. Copperhead had A-berkeleying-STOUNDING styling, right size, right weight, right-wheel-drive, right EVERYTHING. It foretold the future success of SO many who also brought the right size, weight, styling, and rwd.. s2000, 350z, Solstice, Sky, NC Miata, rx-8, and others. An entire segment exploded around the concept of what this car could have been. It could have been the originator.. but now 12 years later we're asking why dodge still hasn't built something comparatively half-assed like the Razor? Gimme a break! Copperhead is the biggest mistake ChryCo made, that essentially gave away what had made Chryco special (the willingness to build Dodge..DIFFERENT) and marked the end of what had been an astounding run of smash-hit releases. After that, there havent been many bright spots.. the PT cruiser was an incredible success sold mostly unchanged for most of a decade, and if the 2005-present mustang sent a royalty check to chrysler for proving retro would work with every sale, things might be different right now . Dodge had an awesome RWD concept Charger in 99 that never made it. The eventual LX cars have been a great success, but look at the 2011 charger.. the whole rear flanks area looks strikingly similar to the 99 concept.. onward, to what could have been and will eventually be! So, i would say going forward with Dodge, look back to what worked then... STRONG brand identity, performance, excitement, willingness to do what others wouldnt (viper, prowler, dakota r/t, etc), and actually start innovating again!

GREAT post Vigo.

Tim - send him the link to this thread.

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
6/3/10 12:21 p.m.

Everything Vigo said!

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/3/10 12:25 p.m.

The Copperhead, that was the one I was thinking of. I'm not sure I'd give it the credit for potentially creating the "entire segment" of rwd sports cars, some might say the biggest inspiration for the NC Miata and the S2000 was the Miata.

Moparman
Moparman Reader
6/3/10 10:13 p.m.
Vigo wrote: Lots of thoughts for me here.. Speed Density- Works well, and cheap. MPG (as far as the drivetrain has to do with it) has more to do with the tuning then the hardware. Even beyond the map sensor and regarding the engine its hooked to. Ultimately, i think if the new Dodge is to succeed, they should look back to the Dodge of the mid-90s up to the D-B takeover for inspiration. That was a golden age for ChryCo for several reasons, but the main one was product: They were very competitive and cohesive. Dodge definitely had a brand image. Hop in the way-back machine and think about the smash-hit releases in that time period: 92- Viper, nuff said? 93- LH cars (intrepid et al) were light years ahead of taurus, lumina, impala, crown vic in both styling and dynamics. Jeep Grand Cherokee. Before there was Rx300, there was grand cherokee. Big available power and off-road potential, while showing that entry-lux small/midsize SUV was going to be a big ticket item. 94- Neon.. wow. Brought fun back to cheap. Great mileage, handling, acceleration, etc. Ram...wow. Turned the entire truck market on its ear, and every current full-size truck sold shows lineage from this design. 95- Cloud cars (stratus/cirrus/breeze) with nice styling, ride, interior, etc. Blew Contour out of the water in everything but acceleration. Regarded at the time to be an excellent design. Avenger/Sebring- not a smash hit but noteworthy because the Avenger had a beautiful brand-image Dodge front end that could have been the cornerstone of a high-performance midsize halo car(IF the car had been sold with a strong engine, it would have been every bit the success its Eclipse/Talon platform mates were.) The same basic styling plus a strong RWD drivetrain worked for the GTO many years later.. 96- Minivans.. an incredibly superior design in 96.. this one shut the competition down so bad that they never really got back in the game.. Part of the reason we have Acadia's and Traverses now is because this design pretty much pushed the other domestics out of the minivan market and forced them to reskin as crossovers (i.e. Pacifica?). 97- Prowler. Incredibly important because it symbolized that Chryco would go where others wouldnt, and a shining example that Chryco could build something so desireable (to whom is another issue) that Honda got nothing on its resale value. Dakota- An awesome truck in 97.. The 4.7L v8 and the R/t were notably neato.. turning radius was impressive. Styling was FAR ahead of 97 s10, ranger, tacoma, etc. You can tell by now with the dodge stuff that even if you didnt like the styling, they had brand identity coming through in SPADES and in most cases offered more performance than competitors.. but things started to fall apart right here. Daimler buys Chrysler. 98 shows some stuff that was already in the pipeline.. 98- New LH cars. Impressive stuff at the time, massive cars rated 28mpg hwy, comfy, good performance, etc. 250hp 3.5 v6 was highest rated n/a v6 sold, for a time! 300m was a styling, image, sales success. But then what? 2.7L v6 fiasco.. so bad there arent many left running. Did HUUUGE damage to Chrysler's reliability reputation and was not stopped until it was too late.. Why?? Also, chrysler powertrains began to stagnate at this point.. 250hp 3.5 in 98.... 235hp 3.5 in 2010? In that same time period, nissans VQ v6 went from 190 hp to 337!!!! Also in 98, the biggest mistake ChryCo made in the 90s.. NOT producing the Copperhead. Copperhead could have and WOULD have been the midsize high-performance rwd halo car that everyone is still talking about. Demon, Razor? Bland after-thoughts to the Copperhead. Copperhead had A-berkeleying-STOUNDING styling, right size, right weight, right-wheel-drive, right EVERYTHING. It foretold the future success of SO many who also brought the right size, weight, styling, and rwd.. s2000, 350z, Solstice, Sky, NC Miata, rx-8, and others. An entire segment exploded around the concept of what this car could have been. It could have been the originator.. but now 12 years later we're asking why dodge still hasn't built something comparatively half-assed like the Razor? Gimme a break! Copperhead is the biggest mistake ChryCo made, that essentially gave away what had made Chryco special (the willingness to build Dodge..DIFFERENT) and marked the end of what had been an astounding run of smash-hit releases. After that, there havent been many bright spots.. the PT cruiser was an incredible success sold mostly unchanged for most of a decade, and if the 2005-present mustang sent a royalty check to chrysler for proving retro would work with every sale, things might be different right now . Dodge had an awesome RWD concept Charger in 99 that never made it. The eventual LX cars have been a great success, but look at the 2011 charger.. the whole rear flanks area looks strikingly similar to the 99 concept.. onward, to what could have been and will eventually be! So, i would say going forward with Dodge, look back to what worked then... STRONG brand identity, performance, excitement, willingness to do what others wouldnt (viper, prowler, dakota r/t, etc), and actually start innovating again!

Chrysler also had the PT Pronto Spyder which just missed production. I still have the Car and Driver issue with the car on the cover

Moparman
Moparman Reader
6/3/10 10:15 p.m.
Streetwiseguy wrote:
Moparman wrote:
Streetwiseguy wrote: Ask him if he can learn from the past. When the Neon was introduced, had Chrysler spent an extra $500 or so on each car- head gaskets made out of something likely to retain fluid, pistons sturdy enough you can't hear them from 6 blocks away on a cold morning, primer that paint sticks to, and a slightly higher quality of interior plastic- they could have raised the selling price by the same amount, they would have sold the same amount of cars initially, and they would not have reinforced the knowledge (or perception, you choose) that Honda builds a better car than Dodge. And I own a 02 Accord and a 03 RT Neon, so I know of whence I speak. A couple more bucks of content- and real content, not bells and whistles, and the Neon would be a better car than the Accord.
I agree about the original head gaskets, but the were fixed in 1997. Pistons were quite good, at least on the DOHC cars. They were made by Mahle. I built a DOHC using JE pistons and they wee much noisier than the OEM Mahle. I never heard a stock Neon that sounded noisy.
If you want to hear a noisy Neon, come to the great white north. In mother mopars defense, its a very common situation up here with modern short skirt pistons. Run the hooha out of them once they are warmed up and all the parts are stretched and friendly, but when its -25, drive like granny till she's heat soaked or you'll collapse the skirts for sure. And yes, the head gaskets were fixed, and the vast majority of them were covered under warranty well past the expiry date. There was ample evidence by 95 that they should do something- not wait till 97.

I have run my Neon in near zero weather and the OEM pistons never made a sound. The new JE's are LOUD.

Vigo
Vigo HalfDork
6/4/10 4:23 p.m.
I'm not sure I'd give it the credit for potentially creating the "entire segment" of rwd sports cars, some might say the biggest inspiration for the NC Miata and the S2000 was the Miata.

Im not saying it created the segment of just rwd sports cars, more that it foretold a certain recipe of size, comfort, price, power which Miata wasnt anywhere near at the time but is closer to now. With NC, Miata moving up in size/comfort so drastically (to copperhead size) is a step many people thought would ruin it.. i think the consensus now is that it didnt, and based on the list i mentioned of sporty 2-dr rwds in the same basic size range, i think its actually a sweet spot that the Copperhead would have fit into 6 years before Miata made that jump.

rmarkc
rmarkc Reader
6/4/10 6:16 p.m.
Appleseed wrote: Everything Vigo said!

+1

And what about looking back to Chryco's 1st resurrection in the 80s? The K car platform and 2.2l engine expanded to a fair number of successful performance and appliance cars.

Tim Suddard
Tim Suddard Publisher
6/4/10 10:03 p.m.

Thanks guys. Interview went well and Tom says he will have it up on our site by Monday. Also got to drive the 640 hp Viper ACR-X. Hit 137 mph on the very short straight at GingerMan Raceway. What rush! Look for in-car video on that soon too.

Turns out Ralph Gilles has been reading GRM since 1991 and started out autocrossing a Scirocco! Super nice guy and sharp as hell. I believe him when he says good things are coming at Dodge. He is definitely one of us. We drank beer and talked car half the night.

Rob_Mopar
Rob_Mopar Reader
6/4/10 10:12 p.m.
Tim Suddard wrote: Thanks guys. Interview went well and Tom says he will have it up on our site by Monday. Also got to drive the 640 hp Viper ACR-X. Hit 137 mph on the very short straight at GingerMan Raceway. What rush! Look for in-car video on that soon too. Turns out Ralph Gilles has been reading GRM since 1991 and started out autocrossing a Scirocco! Super nice guy and sharp as hell. I believe him when he says good things are coming at Dodge. He is definitely one of us. We drank beer and talked car half the night.

Tim,

When you weren't posting an update I was thinking you took the keys to the ACR-X, pulled the rear view mirror off a-la Gumball Rally, and took off with the car.

-Rob

Vigo
Vigo HalfDork
6/4/10 11:34 p.m.
And what about looking back to Chryco's 1st resurrection in the 80s? The K car platform and 2.2l engine expanded to a fair number of successful performance and appliance cars.

Now that you mention it... K-cars pretty much ARE the entirety of my car hobby :p

Ive owned something over a dozen.. currently have...7.

Now, i think the k-cars were a design for the ages and represent something completely awesome, and pioneered a few things like unprecedented platform engineering and the widespread use of turbocharging to offset low displacement in high-end (..lol) cars, and pioneering 'sport-compact' performance to a large degree, but as for how to run a car company... i cant say all that much good about them other than that they saved the company long enough for them to design something cutting edge a decade later..

JeepinMatt
JeepinMatt HalfDork
6/4/10 11:49 p.m.

In reply to Vigo:

Fantastic post. I won't quote it again, because the page is getting long enough with all the quotes, but that describes perfectly why I was such a Mopar fan growing up. I could appreciate the LH cars and the Cloud cars (my parents owned two of the first and one of the latter), as well as the minivans, but the Ram, Prowler and Viper really blew me away. That a company in that day and age would produce that without letting it get distilled into blandness.. instant respect. The same ballsiness that made me appreciate Mazda and Honda so much during the same decade. Chrysler's history consists of short but intense bursts of design creativity and trend setting, separated by periods of blandness whilst holding on to mere survival.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
6/5/10 6:14 a.m.

My only question for the guys at dodge would be prompted by the fact that I just got back from 3 weeks in Europe.

Why is it taking so damn long to get the Fiat 500 here? That car is very pretty. Every 500 I saw in Paris shone like a jewel compared to the workaday peugot's and Renaults....

bring it

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
6/5/10 8:04 a.m.
alfadriver wrote: The #1 problem with Chrysler is quality and precieved quality.

That's my opinion of Chrysler products as well. Historically, Chrysler products have had good motors, weak transmissions and every single little gizmo fail multiple times. Like the auto door unlocker/opener thingie on a mini van. Friend of mine was a Chrysler mechanic and he replaced that same part 3 times in a few years. That's just one example, and this type of problem goes back decades. Another friend has a Caliber, which he says is something like the worst vehicle ever made. I saw an identical one at the gas station. The guy pulled up to the pump, rolled down the window, reached outside and opened the door from the outside. This is on a vehicle that's like <2-3 years old.

Anyway, of course the usual questions: performance vehicles in the pipe he can discuss or hint at, what does he like about GRM? When does he plan on loaning Dr.Hess a Viper for long term testing and evaluation? etc.

nderwater
nderwater Reader
6/5/10 10:00 a.m.
Vigo wrote: Now that you mention it... K-cars pretty much ARE the entirety of my car hobby. Ive owned something over a dozen.. currently have...7. Now, i think the k-cars were a design for the ages and represent something completely awesome...

That man has a sickness!

JeepinMatt
JeepinMatt HalfDork
6/5/10 11:36 a.m.
ignorant wrote: My only question for the guys at dodge would be prompted by the fact that I just got back from 3 weeks in Europe. Why is it taking so damn long to get the Fiat 500 here? That car is very pretty. Every 500 I saw in Paris shone like a jewel compared to the workaday peugot's and Renaults.... bring it

It's slated to start production in December for the US, last I heard. I think they're still trying to get the Mexico factory ready to start production on them, rather than import them all the way from Poland. It's only a couple inches shorter than the new Mini, but the Mini looks so much bigger.

stuart in mn
stuart in mn SuperDork
6/5/10 12:08 p.m.
Tim Suddard wrote: Turns out Ralph Gilles has been reading GRM since 1991 and started out autocrossing a Scirocco! Super nice guy and sharp as hell. I believe him when he says good things are coming at Dodge. He is definitely one of us. We drank beer and talked car half the night.

This is the thing I like to hear - a car company actually hiring a car guy to run the place.

Moparman
Moparman Reader
6/5/10 7:09 p.m.
nderwater wrote:
Vigo wrote: Now that you mention it... K-cars pretty much ARE the entirety of my car hobby. Ive owned something over a dozen.. currently have...7. Now, i think the k-cars were a design for the ages and represent something completely awesome...
That man has a sickness!

My name is Tom, I'm 43 and I have a Mini-Mopar problem.

Schmidlap
Schmidlap Reader
6/5/10 9:59 p.m.
Vigo wrote: 98- New LH cars. ... 250hp 3.5 v6 was highest rated n/a v6 sold, for a time! ...

What about the 270hp 3L V6 in the Acura NSX way back in 91?

And if we're talking about milestones from Chryco in the 90's, I think the "big rig" styling of the 1994 Ram's was one of the biggest successes Chrysler had. Their trucks were always kind of the forgotten back runner in the pickup truck race, behind Ford and GM. When Dodge introduced that design, they became a real player, and people who would never have considered a Dodge pickup, or any pickup at all, suddenly wanted one.

Bob

NYG95GA
NYG95GA SuperDork
6/5/10 10:04 p.m.
Moparman wrote: My name is Tom, I'm 43 and I have a Mini-Mopar problem.

Would that be Omni/Horizon, or Neon?

Hello, my name is Bucky, and I have a Neon addiction.

neon4891
neon4891 SuperDork
6/5/10 10:17 p.m.
NYG95GA wrote:
Moparman wrote: My name is Tom, I'm 43 and I have a Mini-Mopar problem.
Would that be Omni/Horizon, or Neon? Hello, my name is Bucky, and I have a Neon addiction.

Hi, I'm Brian and I too have a Neon addiction

Rob_Mopar
Rob_Mopar Reader
6/5/10 10:58 p.m.
neon4891 wrote:
NYG95GA wrote:
Moparman wrote: My name is Tom, I'm 43 and I have a Mini-Mopar problem.
Would that be Omni/Horizon, or Neon? Hello, my name is Bucky, and I have a Neon addiction.
Hi, I'm Brian and I too have a Neon addiction

Hi, I'm Rob and I have a general Mopar addiction.

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