Let's see...Must be licensed and insured. Oh, and legal to drive on the road....
In California only cars built in 1975 or older are going to be able to pass these test.
This is going to be fun.
David
Let's see...Must be licensed and insured. Oh, and legal to drive on the road....
In California only cars built in 1975 or older are going to be able to pass these test.
This is going to be fun.
David
Duke said:There was discussion of "CIM" last year. Just take CAM and the proposed CIM and make this class. And didn't they add cross-make swaps to SM already?
But no, SCCA only ever adds categories, never takes them away.
Pretty soon local and regional events will be down to having 1-2 cars per class, or else lots and lots of rollup.
Regions have the ability to bunch classes together if they choose to increase participation.
the SEB and Mike king have stated that condensing classes is a priority going forward.
The aero rules of this class are actually beyond SM. I was talking to a national championship SSM car owner and he wants these rules for SM, just adding Hoosiers.
Does anyone know why AWD cars were left off the XS-B list? My Evo is RHD and 2540 lbs with minimal weight reduction, therefore classed in Mod regardless of what I do to it, so this new class would be a god-send if there was a minimum weight that I could achieve. Adding 460 lbs of ballast just doesn't work for me, but neither does racing against a bunch of tube-frame race cars.
CanadianCD9A said:Does anyone know why AWD cars were left off the XS-B list? My Evo is RHD and 2540 lbs with minimal weight reduction, therefore classed in Mod regardless of what I do to it, so this new class would be a god-send if there was a minimum weight that I could achieve. Adding 460 lbs of ballast just doesn't work for me, but neither does racing against a bunch of tube-frame race cars.
That's an excellent question.
Dangit, my Europa will be too light. I do like where the rules are going though, if I still had my MR2 SC, I would have a clear goal.
So, with the rules as written, what Miata flavor will dominate?
CanadianCD9A said:My Evo is RHD and 2540 lbs with minimal weight reduction
I have a lot of things to say about this but none of them are nice. 
Seems like a good place to ask...
I've never autocross before and this will be my first season. My car is currently and all stock except exhaust (no mufflers) 2005 Mustang GT manual. It might, if budget allows, have aftermarket wheels but street tires, lowered shocks, springs, struts, adjustable panhard bar, and aftermarket sway bars. I assume if I make all the changes I'll be in different classes correct? And what happens if I maker he changes mid season?
thanks
In reply to octavious :
You could run in this class but you could also run in CAMC which would be the best fit for your car. All those mods are legal in either
I haven't poured over the rules but I love the idea of an extreme (but street legal) car running on 200TW tires. For me, it would mean that I could build a competitive autocross car that I can also do Time Attack, cruise around town and go to local car shows. I might actually get enough use out of my car to justify the cost
jr02518 said:Let's see...Must be licensed and insured. Oh, and legal to drive on the road....
In California only cars built in 1975 or older are going to be able to pass these test.
This is going to be fun.
David
There are no street legal cars in California less than 45 years old?
loosecannon said:I haven't poured over the rules but I love the idea of an extreme (but street legal) car running on 200TW tires. For me, it would mean that I could build a competitive autocross car that I can also do Time Attack, cruise around town and go to local car shows. I might actually get enough use out of my car to justify the cost
XS & TT classing has been a running debate spacecadet and I have been having in PM.
I'm glad I'm not the only one to see that possibility. I know there was at least 1 car at TT Nationals that was also at Solo Nationals. Hopefully more people do this, so the rules can be massaged a bit to jump between events... cleaner.
I said this on the FB place, and likely tried too hard to express my thoughts, but my opinion is still the same. As soon as they stop adding language that attempts to define a street car, everything will be better. Interior appointments, comfort and convenience are all subjective. Licensed and insured is plenty.
I read some arguments about excluding trailered vehicles, and those are just more attempts to define a street car. On the flip side of that though, I do feel that any vehicle legitimately driven to the event should be legal to run in an "extreme" street class.
In reply to gumby :
A7's are technically DOT approved
In reply to maschinenbau :
They also say Not for Highway Use.
This is a slippery slope about how "licensed and insured" can vary from one locale to the next.
In California cars being registered and insured to run on the road, starting in 1976, have to be smog legal. If you have non stock parts you have to have a carb sticker on the car. No sticker, not going to pass.
The visual test starts the process, the challenge is that catalytic converters have to be California legal. Remember, the shop doing the testing is not making much money seeing your car every two years. OBD1 and older cars are taking more time to sit on their test stand. Once your car is a "gross poulterer" you have to retest and until it's passed you are at the mercy of system that really wants your old car off the road.
Yes, you might get a "dead president" smog certificate. But if you are stopped by the road side stations, your toast.
That said, it's California and the cars will be at the events.
jr02518 said:In California cars being registered and insured to run on the road, starting in 1976, have to be smog legal. If you have non stock parts you have to have a carb sticker on the car. No sticker, not going to pass.
The visual test starts the process, the challenge is that catalytic converters have to be California legal. Remember, the shop doing the testing is not making much money seeing your car every two years. OBD1 and older cars are taking more time to sit on their test stand. Once your car is a "gross poulterer" you have to retest and until it's passed you are at the mercy of system that really wants your old car off the road.
Yes, you might get a "dead president" smog certificate. But if you are stopped by the road side stations, your toast.
That said, it's California and the cars will be at the events.
Are you suggesting that violating emissions laws is mandatory if you want to drive around cones in a parking lot?
I don't see anywhere in the rules that says "emissions devices must be defeated to be class legal". Actually the rules say the opposite: Vehicles must be registered and insured. This means that they must meet local emissions regulations. A vehicle that has had its drivetrain modified without an EO would be illegal for the class!
Knurled. said:jr02518 said:In California cars being registered and insured to run on the road, starting in 1976, have to be smog legal. If you have non stock parts you have to have a carb sticker on the car. No sticker, not going to pass.
The visual test starts the process, the challenge is that catalytic converters have to be California legal. Remember, the shop doing the testing is not making much money seeing your car every two years. OBD1 and older cars are taking more time to sit on their test stand. Once your car is a "gross poulterer" you have to retest and until it's passed you are at the mercy of system that really wants your old car off the road.
Yes, you might get a "dead president" smog certificate. But if you are stopped by the road side stations, your toast.
That said, it's California and the cars will be at the events.
Are you suggesting that violating emissions laws is mandatory if you want to drive around cones in a parking lot?
I don't see anywhere in the rules that says "emissions devices must be defeated to be class legal". Actually the rules say the opposite: Vehicles must be registered and insured. This means that they must meet local emissions regulations. A vehicle that has had its drivetrain modified without an EO would be illegal for the class!
Have you ever seen a CAM car?
In reply to Javelin :
This isn't CAM, though.
Looking at the ruleset, nothing "CAM"-friendly would be competitve, with those minimum weights.
Knurled. said:In reply to Javelin :
This isn't CAM, though.
Looking at the ruleset, nothing "CAM"-friendly would be competitve, with those minimum weights.
CAM has the exact same "street legal" rules and I'd be surprised if half the cars met them. Also, CAM minimum weights are lower than XSA, so... You'd have to add 250 lbs to a minimum weight CAM-S Solstice to get to XSA for example. Unless you're saying that XS couldn't go play with CAM, and I agree to that.
Knurled, welcome to the "wink-n nod" at the SCCA. You can "protest" those that are out of compliance, so I have been told.
jr02518 said:In California cars being registered and insured to run on the road, starting in 1976, have to be smog legal. If you have non stock parts you have to have a carb sticker on the car. No sticker, not going to pass.
The visual test starts the process, the challenge is that catalytic converters have to be California legal. Remember, the shop doing the testing is not making much money seeing your car every two years. OBD1 and older cars are taking more time to sit on their test stand. Once your car is a "gross poulterer" you have to retest and until it's passed you are at the mercy of system that really wants your old car off the road.
Yes, you might get a "dead president" smog certificate. But if you are stopped by the road side stations, your toast.
That said, it's California and the cars will be at the events.
Leaving the powertrain in good working order doesn't mean that you can't add aero, remove the back seat, change suspension and all of the other mods that this class allows.
It also doesn't prevent a CARB stickered LSx engine swap that's marketed specifically for this purpose.
Or the forced induction kits Flyin' Miata makes for exactly this sort of thing, either.
Granted, nobody said it would be inexpensive.
I am stoked. Whatever isn't ideal about it, it's so much closer to what I've wanted than what has existed thus far...
I want to be able to do arbitrary engineering updates to my old car without running in XP. Now I can. I'm not too worried about the details being off in terms of rules shooting for parity; the mostly-blank rules but streetable intent and 200TW tires really cover what I'm worried about.
Pretty much the way loosecannon said. I do hope the TT rules align or become aligned, to whatever extent is possible.
I haven't even opened the file yet, but the rules PDF is 174KB. Not MB. KB.
Yeah.
Talking to my region Solo head at our awards dinner, he said if there isn't an official PAX for this year, he's going to take the differential between SSR and S/Street and apply that to the SM and SSM PAX to get an XSA and XSB PAX. A bit rudimentary, but it works.
Somewhat unsurprisingly that factor works out to almost exactly ,975 which is historically the typical "street tire factor". I imagine they'll get starter indexes though, every other newly minted class has...SSC, CAM, etc. In my experience most local regions with a street mod street tire class use the SM indexes plus a modifier that's either .975 or .98 to account for the tires.
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