I know GRM loves to hate the Camaro, but sheesh they keep packing it with some firepower. The 1LE proved the pig could play... now they shoved an LS7 in it.
I want to play. 
500HP/470ft. lbs. Naturally Aspirated 7.0 LS7 V8.
No radio. Optional A/C. Flared fenders. The seats look track ready.
300 pounds lighter than a ZL1.
plus I like the nod back to the first gen Camaro's on the tailight restyle:
I just wish you didn't feel like you were in a jail cell with only slit windows to see out of when you were in the Camaro cause they've got some cool powertrain options.
I dig it.
I dig it but LOL @ no radio. Like that 15lbs was significant compared to those 50lb wheels.
I love the concept. Personally, I wish it were 10 or 15% smaller.
Yeah only thing I really don't like about these (not the kind of car I'd buy...but nothing terribly wrong with it) is that they're huge for the sake of being huge. 10 to 15% smaller might still be bigger than the latest Mustang.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I dig it but LOL @ no radio. Like that 15lbs was significant compared to those 50lb wheels.
These look like a pretty slim spoke wheel considering the rubber it's carrying, and the brakes they're containing.
Needs T-tops.
I really like the driving dynamics of the new Camaros, but one thing completely eliminates it for me.
I don't fit with a helmet on.........and I'm 5'8" 
It boggles my mind that they would bring a car with track-intentions to market without considering helmet room.
Maybe they've redesigned the seats, or interior to make enough room, but as of last year------ I just don't fit.
I am amazed that with such a huge car... you can't fit with a helmet on.. where is all the space?
Unless of course making it unfriendly to wearing helmets was actually a way to keep it off of tracks so they can't get sued?
slefain wrote: Needs T-tops.
You shut your whore mouth!
I'm 6'2", and I fit in one just fine. Amazing to me how people complain about sightlines in this car, but LOVE the Miata, which has HORRENDOUS sightlines with the top up. Hell, even with the top down, I can't see most stoplights without tilting my head...
racerfink wrote: I'm 6'2", and I fit in one just fine. Amazing to me how people complain about sightlines in this car, but LOVE the Miata, which has HORRENDOUS sightlines with the top up. Hell, even with the top down, I can't see most stoplights without tilting my head...
Stoplights are the only time that the Miata has bad sightlines with the top down. And try the Miata with the hardtop if you have to have a top.
racerfink wrote: I'm 6'2", and I fit in one just fine. Amazing to me how people complain about sightlines in this car, but LOVE the Miata, which has HORRENDOUS sightlines with the top up. Hell, even with the top down, I can't see most stoplights without tilting my head...
I am 6'5" and my head touches the roof, the sightlines are horrible for me.
You didn't happen to drive a tank did you?
Hmmm......they must have redesigned the seat. I've driven a bunch of them, and had comically bad headroom issues with a helmet on------ I need to crook my head to the side with my head mashed against the headliner. It's a shame really, as the chassis is very nice.
Granted, I sit pretty bolt-upright, especially on track, but I usually don't have a problem fitting in anything, even with a helmet on.
Sightline wise----- for me the Camaro is much, much worse than my NA Miata. The Camaro's rearview mirror blocks a huge amount of a very tiny windshield, and the whole interior makes me claustrophobic. I'm small enough that the Miata's sightlines are fine. Stopped at a light I have to crane my head a bit, but not badly. (I'm always looking for the other light to change anyways)
I really like the drivetrain and driving dymanics of the Camaro, but the packaging ruins it for me. YMMV
another thing, height really doesn't mean tons when you are trying to fit in things. Torso length is the issue. Example, my brother, wife and I are each 6 feet. He wears a freaking 28 inch inseam pants and is all chest and stomach. I have about a 32 inch inseam, my wife has a 35. so even though we are all close to the same height, my brother can't fit in tons of vehicles that my wife and I have no trouble in.
The 2013 Camaro I drove, I could see out of a lot better than I can my '90 Miata.
The new taillights look great. Those were the ugliest part of the previous style.
I've never sat in one, but from the outside, those high sill lines make the occupants look like 10-yrs old kids who just took dad's car.
Other than that, am I the only one wondering why, with $4+ fuel, we keep getting these 500hp+ cars. Yeah it's a big number and all, but seems to have departed from reality starting about six years ago.
kb58 wrote: Other than that, am I the only one wondering why, with $4+ fuel, we keep getting these 500hp+ cars. Yeah it's a big number and all, but seems to have departed from reality starting about six years ago.
I don't get that argument. You could buy a Cruze Eco to commute in and then this as a track toy. Different tool for different job.
New headlights and taillights look SO much better. Still don't want one.
clutchsmoke wrote: New headlights and taillights look SO much better. Still don't want one.
QFT
In reply to kb58:
Agreed...But companies keep making them because people keep buying them.
In reply to crankwalk:
I suspect anybody that can afford this as a little more than a track toy would rather spend $16,000 on 4000+gal of gas for it than buy a Cruze...Especially since they probably already have a German luxury car for their commuting duties anyways
Driven5 wrote: In reply to crankwalk: I suspect anybody that can afford this as a little more than a track toy would rather spend $16,000 on 4000+gal of gas for it than buy a Cruze...Especially since they probably already have a German luxury car for their commuting duties anyways
Ok I was just giving an example with the Cruze being that GM makes fuel efficient cars too, you can substitute Cruze with S4 if that helps. The point is this isn't their daily driver. And if it is, MPG isn't a concern for them, and thats fine.
I'm really glad that there are people working inside GM that really get it and are allowed to work on vehicles. The corvette is great. This is great. Let those guys loose on other products in the lineup. Hell, give them the turbo motor out of the Cruze and a RWD transmission and see what sort of small car they can build. The engineering talent is there, I just want too see it applied to a $25k small sports car. They did a damn fine job with the solstice, do it again.
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