Appleseed
Appleseed UltimaDork
3/1/14 6:32 p.m.

I finally got that 2005 P71 back to Illinois from Montana. I had a shop scan it and they said it was getting a misfire code and the cats were clogged. I neglected to ask what exact code was thrown. He said its probably the coils. I pulled them so I could bench test them. Any other likely thing that will cause a misfire? Anything specific to Crown Vics?

Anyone know how exactly to test these coils? I assume that you measure the resistance across the 2 pins or something like that.

As for the clogged cats, if I found someone selling a complete exhaust, what years are compatible with an 05? The one I found is from a 2000LX. If that is not a good idea, then what?

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UberDork
3/1/14 6:40 p.m.

All I have to add is a bad coil can ohm out OK and actually be junk due to internal arcing BTDT.

Appleseed
Appleseed UltimaDork
3/1/14 6:42 p.m.

Anyway to test that?

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UberDork
3/1/14 6:52 p.m.

The one time I did, it was snuck into the Ford engineering department in a box and came back to me with the results on it in paint pen. I think you can do it with a good oscilloscope http://www.underhoodservice.com/Article/96302/tech_tips_using_the_oscilloscope_ignition_coils.aspx

When they fail this way, they will usually miss under load, the more pedal you give it, the worse it will run.

pjbgravely
pjbgravely New Reader
3/1/14 7:04 p.m.

Both codes can be caused by an exhaust leak. If none maybe all it needs is some good fuel cleaner and an Italian tune-up. Getting your own scanner makes things easier.

Appleseed
Appleseed UltimaDork
3/1/14 7:19 p.m.
Kenny_McCormic wrote: When they fail this way, they will usually miss under load, the more pedal you give it, the worse it will run.

This is exactly the symptom. Idles like a champ. Anything more than an 1/8th throttle, and it runs out of guts.

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand UberDork
3/1/14 7:56 p.m.

get scanner. read code. if misfire on a specific cylinder, swap coils to another one and run it. read code again and see if misfire followed the coil to the new cylinder.

Appleseed
Appleseed UltimaDork
3/1/14 8:02 p.m.

Sounds like a plan. Any other ideas on the cats in addition to pjbgravely's?

bentwrench
bentwrench Reader
3/1/14 8:57 p.m.

You can test the cats for plugging with a vacuum gauge.

Raising the rpm should result in higher vacuum than idle.

Appleseed
Appleseed UltimaDork
3/2/14 11:01 a.m.

How do I do that? Is there a port to plug in to?

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UberDork
3/2/14 2:11 p.m.

Find the vacuum tree, unplug one that does something stupid and unimportant (HVAC, EVAP, the brake booster line if you have a proper reducer, etc.), plug in gauge.

egnorant
egnorant SuperDork
3/2/14 10:14 p.m.

I have had this problem on 2 different p71s. First time it showed a cylinder 3 misfire so I did all the coil swap stuff and it lead nowhere. I then changed the fuel filter and injector cleaner on the next 2 tanks. It actually ran great 5 minutes after the injector cleaner but I was being paranoid about it.

The next time it turned out to be a small bit of debris in the plug hole! I had pulled the coil pack and found this little piece of plastic(?) down by the plug.

Never found out where it came from but once I removed it the car ran fine!

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