seems like a good time to get a P71

if they represented it as one thing.. Then gave you another that is fraud. You should call the cops.

If they represented it as 91k tmu.. then that is not fraud.

edit see here http://law.jrank.org/pages/11799/Deceptive-Trade-Practices.html

+1 Call the cops.

They owe you some serious money and ebay could be in some hot water as well.

Just check the VIN on the title to the VIN on the car first.

I"m trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt for at least a short time.

I'll call the dealer licensing board if I dont get anywhere though.

the vin's all match. I suspect some odo swapping at some point.

belteshazzar wrote: I"m trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt for at least a short time.

Wrong answer....

call cops first.. Let them sort it out. There are very specific rules to swapping an odometer. VERY....

crush these losers with Thors hammer.

glad i never was busted on odo swaping, odd story involving replacing a faulty instrument cluster, and later getting more money from the insurance company. Besides, everything was in my dad's name, so it would have been his problem.

ignorant wrote: Wrong answer.... call cops first.. Let them sort it out. There are very specific rules to swapping an odometer. VERY....

I'm in LIncoln NE, he's in KC MO. Call Missouri police?

I finally got ahold of the dealer.

He made a fairly good case for giving him a little time. 1.crown vic odo failure doesn't happen often. 2.government typo's do. 3.this is too dumb and obvious a problem to accuse anyone of trying to get away with something.

He's going to get in touch with the muni that sold it so he can verify mileage and hopefully get an affidavit indicating the odometer is correct, so when I register the car my dmv can correct the title instead of stamping it tmu.

belteshazzar wrote: I finally got ahold of the dealer. He made a fairly good case for giving him a little time. 1.crown vic odo failure doesn't happen often. 2.government typo's do. 3.this is too dumb and obvious a problem to accuse anyone of trying to get away with something. He's going to get in touch with the muni that sold it so he can verify mileage and hopefully get an affidavit indicating the odometer is correct, so when I register the car my dmv can correct the title instead of stamping it tmu.

Any update?

To bring up some earlier posts in this thread... 30mpg is decent, my protege5 gets 30-35 and barely can pull 28 on long trips due to added wieght and the stupid roof carrier I need because the car is so damn small. In fact, the protege running AC on trips gets 24mpg. My enormous barge wagon gets 19 mpg with the AC on, and cruising at 70mph up the mountains. And I can see out the back window, not be fighting the wife for the use of the center armrest, I can still out accelerate everything but corvettes, and I'm just much more comfortable.

pigeon wrote: Any update?

ohhh. sort of. I didn't bug him for a whole week. Once that passed and I had recieved nary an email back I started calling again. A couple days and a couple unreturned voicemails later, I jump on ebay and leave a little feedback "GOT TITLE. DOESN'T MATCH MILEAGE OF CAR BY +30K, DOESN'T CALL BACK. UNRESOLVED"

Five minutes pass and I get a phone call. I didn't really learn anything from the phone call other than they're still trying to get an affidavit from the Kansas muni that sold it. I reiterated that I need to register it soon, and that the time for communicating one on one about this is drawing short.

Do love the car. Got my first 20 mpg tank out of it.

if they're ignoring you until you leave negative feedback, it may be time to bring bigger guns to bear. I hope you've got the appropriate telephone numbers handy to be able to roast these guys on a slow fire of their own making - i.e., get them put up on federal wire fraud charges among other things - if they don't get this cleared up really soon.

having been a car dealer for 9 years, I always hated when people started throwing threats into situations that naturally took time to unwind.

just through our conversation before I even picked the car up, he knows full well I'm familiar with the system.

if there isn't some kind of resolution (either by correcting the title or compensating me for the reduced value of the car) in time for me to register the car all bets are off and I was clear about that.

Just did a carfax. Didn't really tell me jack.

Said it was one owner (Kansas), and had been to the dealer once in 2003 @ 14,000 miles.

belteshazzar wrote: having been a car dealer for 9 years, I always hated when people started throwing threats into situations that naturally took time to unwind.

Agreed but appaling lack of communication is a whole other story - I'd get concerned by the lack of replies to your many communication attempts, but that's just me.

John Brown wrote: edited A 33 gallon barrel of oil will make:

http://www.gravmag.com/oil3.html said:19½ gallons of gasoline, 9 gallons of fuel oil, 4 gallons of jet fuel, and 11 gallons of other products, including lubricants, kerosene, asphalt, and petrochemical feedstocks to make plastics. That adds up to more than 42 gallons because of something called "refinery gain" - the processing and chemical changes increase the volume.

I cannot find it but I remember that of the remaining 11 gallons from the barrel only 1-2 QUARTS are useable for motor oil, of which they make 2-4 QUARTS of motor oil, Esther based oils use less than 10% of the crude when compared to petroleum based oils mostly in the additive package. One of the board scientists will adjust the numbers as needed. I found this while looking for the other link that had the breakdown of refined motor oil quarts vs gasoline gallons per 33 gallons of base crude: http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Oils1.html neat information.

To bring something back from a few pages ago that irked me: interesting information, but I think you are mis-interpreting it.

you were reasoning it in a previous post as if one bbl of crude will make either, say, 19 gallons of gasoline OR 2 quarts of motor oil, and from that falsehood you concluded that changing your oil less often will have a big impact on total crude usage (which, if that were true, would probably be true).

from what I understand, and what is hinted by the info you quoted, is that crude is composed of many different compounds/polymers. it is separated into its useful parts in the refining process. 1 bbl of crude will yield BOTH 19 gals of gas AND the 2 quarts motor oil (not either/or). looking at the ratio, for 4 bbls of crude you can use about 80 gals of gas (=2400 miles max) and 8 quarts of oil for your oil change, which should leave us with plenty of surplus motor oil for other fine uses such as gargling.

-edited to correct a number