RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) said:
Before I even entered this thread I knew it would have to do something discussed in the analog car thread. While I'm going to agree that an EV is perfectly fine or even ideal as a daily commuter (I've even considered one but they're far too expensive), some people can't afford multiple cars or don't want to have them or don't have the storage for them and right now they're not a catch all vehicle cause of infrastructure and being a relatively new technology. There's the fact that a lot of people are renters and also blocks them from the practicalities/advantages of an EV. Finally, its as you said, some people just don't care or want one. We can have different preferences and opinions. That's all I'm gonna say here.
I agree with all you've said with the sole exception of too expensive. Currently you can buy a series 3 Tesla for around $30,000 ( after $7500 tax credit) which is $18,000 less than the average new car sells for.
Nissan sells the Leaf for less than that and Chevy Bolt is less than the Leaf. Coming next year several will be in the $25,000 range minus the $7500 tax credit plus whatever your state offers. ( Mn $2500, Co $5000 Or & Ca more than that. ) last I heard 22 states offer assistance.
frenchyd said:
RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) said:
Before I even entered this thread I knew it would have to do something discussed in the analog car thread. While I'm going to agree that an EV is perfectly fine or even ideal as a daily commuter (I've even considered one but they're far too expensive), some people can't afford multiple cars or don't want to have them or don't have the storage for them and right now they're not a catch all vehicle cause of infrastructure and being a relatively new technology. There's the fact that a lot of people are renters and also blocks them from the practicalities/advantages of an EV. Finally, its as you said, some people just don't care or want one. We can have different preferences and opinions. That's all I'm gonna say here.
I agree with all you've said with the sole exception of too expensive. Currently you can buy a series 3 Tesla for around $30,000 ( after $7500 tax credit) which is $18,000 less than the average new car sells for.
Nissan sells the Leaf for less than that and Chevy Bolt is less than the Leaf. Coming next year several will be in the $25,000 range minus the $7500 tax credit plus whatever your state offers. ( Mn $2500, Co $5000 Or & Ca more than that. ) last I heard 22 states offer assistance.
Well I'm looking at it from this point of view: I already have 2 (and soon 3) cars that I own without payments. It would cost me a lot of money in fuel in order to buy a new EV and come out ahead financially (and this doesn't include the factors that are intangible like "fun to drive", etc). The cost factor doesn't really add up for me, but that's just my specific case. A lot of people in general also need one car that "does it all" and can't afford a second car, period. That's why most people just buy ICE Crossovers (like the RAV4, etc)
In reply to RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) :
As I said. I agree with all of that.
I know some people think I'm saying run out right now and buy one. I'm not.
The truth is I'm waiting for the new Tesla model 2 or whatever it will be called, that is due sometime next year. Other have equally valid reasons to wait, as you've outlined.
As far as buying used, there you get to test drive it and feel how fast it is. Plus stone stock it really handles decently. Koni has better shocks out now for it and if you read the articles about racing them you'll understand they are anything but boring. ( if you want them to be)
Plus you still get a $3450 federal tax credit and whatever the state offers. The other consideration is EV's depreciate way too much. Mostly because people fail to understand they aren't like ICE's A very Early one already has a million miles. It did that with 2 sets of batteries.
ddavidv said:
I frequently deal with Tesla dealers for work. It's why I will never own a Tesla. Has nothing to do with ICE vs battery.
I used to work at a couple of car dealers. The job is really horrible. Dealerships are really horrible. Customers are really horrible.
That's why Tesla and Rivian sell on line. Nobody is pressuring you. You decide what you want, the price is clearly marked. The only "deal"is to take existing inventory and get a few hundred off or maybe a couple of years of free charging.
Rivian is sold on Amazon. I don't know how Lucid is sold.
