AWSX1686 (Forum Supporter) said:
This is very convenient as I've been considering a 300 powered truck. I'm tired of my 7.3 and transmission issues. That's a different story though.
Pretty sure I'm going to get rid of it and get either a 90's f150 with the 300, or a 90's f250 with the 460. Older trucks also considered. Just looking for something cheap and simple do mostly handle Lowe's runs for house projects, and do towing occasionally. Honestly it could go either way, I was almost on the road today to pickup a 2wd 460 truck for $1500, but I just can't take the time today.
I have a 460 you'd like, but the 10 lug 16" rim straight front axle Dually is a bit large just for home projects! Its a cool beast though, Ford called it a Superduty from 87 tp 97, but its a F450 other than not by name. The Super Duty was the newer trucks. 79 carb'd 460, ZF 5 speed w/pto and hyd. pump. Cant get any more simple!
03Panther said:
AWSX1686 (Forum Supporter) said:
This is very convenient as I've been considering a 300 powered truck. I'm tired of my 7.3 and transmission issues. That's a different story though.
Pretty sure I'm going to get rid of it and get either a 90's f150 with the 300, or a 90's f250 with the 460. Older trucks also considered. Just looking for something cheap and simple do mostly handle Lowe's runs for house projects, and do towing occasionally. Honestly it could go either way, I was almost on the road today to pickup a 2wd 460 truck for $1500, but I just can't take the time today.
I have a 460 you'd like, but the 10 lug 16" rim straight front axle Dually is a bit large just for home projects! Its a cool beast though, Ford called it a Superduty from 87 tp 97, but its a F450 other than not by name. The Super Duty was the newer trucks. 79 carb'd 460, ZF 5 speed w/pto and hyd. pump. Cant get any more simple!
Sounds nice actually. I do some towing too, but may have to give up some of that capacity for a while if I only get a 150.
I currently have a 2000 f250 with the 7.3 and a ZF6, but the PO had a leaky trans cooler line which ran it dry and locked it up before I found anything. Put a used ZF6 in the replace it and 4th went out on it shortly after and I think 3rd is not far behind.
are the ZF5's pretty good?
APEowner said:
It won't be fast but it'll be fine.
The story of my life as a wannabe racer...
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:
460 and 300 are two of my favorite engines for different reasons.
300 is a bulletproof torque maker. The 460 has large displacement, but one of the shortest strokes of any big block. Every hear one spin to 7000? We built one for a Hot Wheels Mustang we built for Mattel. 815 hp, 725 lb-ft, 7000 redline.
About 12 years ago I saw a monster truck (er, monster car since it was an early Mustang) run indoors at the Cincinnati Gardens. It was a big-block Ford of unknown displacement. Unusual for a monster truck, it was naturally aspirated. It SCREAMED. The announcer claimed it had 1400 horsepower.
Geez. I wonder how much that cost to build? Ours was a tweaked and girdled factory block, but in all honesty it had to survive about 5 dyno runs and then it might start up and idle once a year as Mattel moved it around the warehouse or loaded it for a show.
Ours cost over $25k... partly because it also had to look really pretty. I wonder what kind of wallet it takes to make a 1400hp BBF? 521ci is expensive, but pretty easy to do. 532 can be done if you sonic-check the cylinder walls. There are also 578 and 592 kits, but I think they might require an aftermarket block.... maybe even wider bore spacing which is a whole extra level of money.
The owner/driver/builder of the MudCedes has passed on, Randy Guthrie RIP. but when he ran at one of graverobers events, he was the only mud buggie there not on Rockwells, and still came in 16th out of 24 trucks. No 1400 HP, but it WAS bad. But I could not have recommended towing with it... and it did not have a 300 I6 in it.
AWSX1686 (Forum Supporter) said:
03Panther said
I have a 460 you'd like, but the 10 lug 16" rim straight front axle Dually is a bit large just for home projects! Its a cool beast though, Ford called it a Superduty from 87 tp 97, but its a F450 other than not by name. The Super Duty was the newer trucks. 79 carb'd 460, ZF 5 speed w/pto and hyd. pump. Cant get any more simple!
Sounds nice actually. I do some towing too, but may have to give up some of that capacity for a while if I only get a 150.
I currently have a 2000 f250 with the 7.3 and a ZF6, but the PO had a leaky trans cooler line which ran it dry and locked it up before I found anything. Put a used ZF6 in the replace it and 4th went out on it shortly after and I think 3rd is not far behind.
are the ZF5's pretty good?
All I know about the ZF5 is a bit simpler than the newer 6. Seems to be very tough. I never finished making mine a DD , due to ending up with a relatively low miles 03 350 fx4.
In reply to L5wolvesf :
Did you count for tools and others riding as well?
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:
Geez. I wonder how much that cost to build? Ours was a tweaked and girdled factory block, but in all honesty it had to survive about 5 dyno runs and then it might start up and idle once a year as Mattel moved it around the warehouse or loaded it for a show.
Ours cost over $25k... partly because it also had to look really pretty. I wonder what kind of wallet it takes to make a 1400hp BBF? 521ci is expensive, but pretty easy to do. 532 can be done if you sonic-check the cylinder walls. There are also 578 and 592 kits, but I think they might require an aftermarket block.... maybe even wider bore spacing which is a whole extra level of money.
Cost is what I've been thinking about all these years afterward. The engine haunts me a little. Oh by the way it won that night. Bigfoot uncharacteristically broke earlier in the event.
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:
Geez. I wonder how much that cost to build? Ours was a tweaked and girdled factory block, but in all honesty it had to survive about 5 dyno runs and then it might start up and idle once a year as Mattel moved it around the warehouse or loaded it for a show.
Ours cost over $25k... partly because it also had to look really pretty. I wonder what kind of wallet it takes to make a 1400hp BBF? 521ci is expensive, but pretty easy to do. 532 can be done if you sonic-check the cylinder walls. There are also 578 and 592 kits, but I think they might require an aftermarket block.... maybe even wider bore spacing which is a whole extra level of money.
I personally handled a stock block BBF that was, IIRC, 565ci. Lots of room for stroke in there. Problem was, the shop that built it did not put any kind of chamfer on the bottoms of the bores, and the long stroke damned near poked the wristpins out the bottom of the bores. It was filling the oil with aluminum as the piston skirts shaved themselves. Real sad.
So just how terrible are the 5.0's in these 90's f150 trucks?
Been looking for something and like 80% or better have a 5.0 in them.
If they're no better than a 4.9/300 is there any easy(ish) ways to wake them up?
(Sorry it's kinda off topic of the OP, but I think it's relevant.)
Cheap / basic Ford 5.0 wakeup via bumping the base timing;
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/base-timing-bump-50-ford/82550/page1/
I wonder about a conversion to an electrical power-steering pump, like one robbed from a modern Volvo, to get rid of the belt driven pump (and the horrible whiny Ford steering pump noise) to free up a free HP.
A mild cam upgrade might be nice as well.
Mr_Asa
SuperDork
10/8/20 7:07 p.m.
In reply to AWSX1686 (Forum Supporter) :
I always understood that the cam gave it a bad torque curve for towing. I may be wrong though, I don't mess with them V engines too often.
