VW is going to punch itself in the B-lls. Kinda funny really

In reply to alfadriver: I agree with you ... but watch your back.

alfadriver wrote:

spitfirebill wrote:

Trackmouse wrote: Two things: they were "suspended" not let go. So they will likely be "unemployed" until this blows over. Then Right back at it. If they are let go, can we day sayonara to audis lemans wins? I want them dead. Lol.

And they probably know too much to be booted

Nobody knows too much to be booted. This isn't some kind of national security issue- it's making cars. The question I have- since these two guys are the ones who probably directed people to make the cheat- are they the ones who are legally liable? I don't consider these guys clever at all- the clever ones are the ones who can legally meet the rules at a price point that people can afford. I see these guys as lazy. And incompetent. Instead of solving a problem, they cheat. I would not want to work for them, nor would I want them in my company. It would be interesting to see if someone in VW tried to turn them in (most companies have anonymous numbers to call in stuff like this), and if that was covered up. If I found out about something like this, I would turn them in immediately.

No, they're not lazy, they were driven by profit (and probably their bonus). You know as well as I do that development costs money, and in a for profit company, that non-recurring engineering is expensive and must be recovered in the number of cars they sell.

You know as well as I do this topic was addressed in development meetings by somebody who was doing the work, and management made a choice.

And, I don't know the full story about how it came out (so pure speculation following), but maybe the whistle was blown by the aforementioned guy who previously addressed said issue in the meetings, after he found a new job....

alfadriver wrote:

spitfirebill wrote:

Trackmouse wrote: Two things: they were "suspended" not let go. So they will likely be "unemployed" until this blows over. Then Right back at it. If they are let go, can we day sayonara to audis lemans wins? I want them dead. Lol.

And they probably know too much to be booted

Nobody knows too much to be booted. This isn't some kind of national security issue- it's making cars. The question I have- since these two guys are the ones who probably directed people to make the cheat- are they the ones who are legally liable? I don't consider these guys clever at all- the clever ones are the ones who can legally meet the rules at a price point that people can afford. I see these guys as lazy. And incompetent. Instead of solving a problem, they cheat. I would not want to work for them, nor would I want them in my company. It would be interesting to see if someone in VW tried to turn them in (most companies have anonymous numbers to call in stuff like this), and if that was covered up. If I found out about something like this, I would turn them in immediately.

With the concept of "Too big to fail or prosecute" already embedded in our culture, NOBODY is liable in this case. That is the elegance of the whole thing. Common, Wall Street knowingly took down the entire planets economy (if they actually had one) and they all got bonuses! THIS is the world I live in.

NOHOME wrote: With the concept of "Too big to fail or prosecute" already embedded in our culture, NOBODY is liable in this case. That is the elegance of the whole thing. Common, Wall Street knowingly took down the entire planets economy (if they actually had one) and they all got bonuses! THIS is the world I live in.

VW is largely owned by the government, isn't it? So not so much "too big to fail" as much as it is "circulatory monetary motion".

Saw a new billboard on the highway today with this web address:

Wesuevw.com

The vultures are circling...

In reply to OldGray320i:

Depends on your perspective. Considering the risk for not meeting the rules, and more important the risk of cheating.... To not solve a solvable puzzle- if not lazy, stupid. The cost of being caught is so much more expensive than doing it- how anyone can consider this a way so save money- I'm not sure what to call that.

Since I know it's quite possible to gain a nice competitive advantage to meet the rules in a manner that is cheaper than everyone else- I'm just going to go back to lazy.

In reply to NOHOME: We'll see.

There are criminal penalties laid out in the law for this.

So one of the engineers was involved in various racing efforts? Well, that explains a lot. In racing, cheating is only bad if you're caught.