frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/29/23 9:36 p.m.

The last Jaguar V12's didn't have a distributor.  They ECM  basically triggered 6 coils with 2 leads on each coil.  When one cylinder fires  the other cylinder dry fires on the exhaust stroke.    
    
   Mine is a basic Megasquirt  2357-C

 if all I want to do is control the spark can I use this?  It's a major pain to adjust timing on a V12. The distributor only allows 3 degrees of timing change.  Even that requires taking it 1/2 way apart then adjusting it blind and reassembling  then crawling underneath to see the timing marks on the bottom of the engine. 

Racingsnake
Racingsnake Reader
8/29/23 9:52 p.m.

I thought one of the virtues of the V12 that you've extolled is that the distributor was right on top and easy to get at lol

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/29/23 10:35 p.m.

What can't you do with a Megasquirt? cheeky

You can definitely run the V12's ignition in wasted spark mode similar to the factory system. You'll have to set up multiple injectors to be fired by a single injector driver, discussed here:

https://forum.etypeuk.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15380&sid=f0367f3ff9df047a6fb9ec7ca876555d&start=20

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/29/23 10:58 p.m.
GameboyRMH said:

What can't you do with a Megasquirt? cheeky

You can definitely run the V12's ignition in wasted spark mode similar to the factory system. You'll have to set up multiple injectors to be fired by a single injector driver, discussed here:

https://forum.etypeuk.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15380&sid=f0367f3ff9df047a6fb9ec7ca876555d&start=20

I won't be using the fuel injection.  To run in group 6 I have to use carbs.  So all I need to do is control the ignition.   
 

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/29/23 11:04 p.m.
Racingsnake said:

I thought one of the virtues of the V12 that you've extolled is that the distributor was right on top and easy to get at lol

Oh it is easy to get at.  Plus I do have my own distributor machine so it's straight forward  for me to get it to do what I need it to do.  
    It's just so much more work  over a few key strokes.     
  I admit I've learned a lot watching  video's and attending a few dyno sessions. 
      

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UltimaDork
8/30/23 12:30 p.m.

You can set up that Megasquit for six spark outputs, but it's either a very involved solder job or swapping to an MS3 processor and MS3X card.

Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter)
Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
8/30/23 1:04 p.m.
MadScientistMatt said:

You can set up that Megasquit for six spark outputs, but it's either a very involved solder job or swapping to an MS3 processor and MS3X card.

I have definitely done a 6 coil version for a BMW and it wasn't fun. I can be persuaded with money to do another.

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/30/23 1:24 p.m.
MadScientistMatt said:

You can set up that Megasquit for six spark outputs, but it's either a very involved solder job or swapping to an MS3 processor and MS3X card. 

That's kinda what I thought.  What do you think it would cost me to swap my  current new, unused MS2  for the MS3X card and MS3 processor? 

Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter)
Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
8/30/23 3:14 p.m.

I give a $100 credit for MS2 to MS3 upgrade (I keep MS2 processor). $150 for labor and the parts are around $500 for the MS3, 3x and 8' harness.

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/30/23 3:29 p.m.

That sounds very fair.  

Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter)
Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
8/30/23 3:34 p.m.
frenchyd said:

That sounds very fair.  

It definitely could be worse, I'd charge 500 just to put 6 BIP coil drivers on a MS2/3.57 it sucks a bit. The only caveat is you need to use coils with amps with the 3x drivers.

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
8/31/23 4:39 p.m.

Would I be ahead if I bought an upscale MS?   Something like a pro?  

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