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SlickDizzy
SlickDizzy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/14/15 9:54 a.m.

I'm a tall, skinny guy. 6'3" and 180lbs. Because of this, I tend to prefer coupes to equivalent sedans for the sake of comfort. I was recently thinking about the couple MkII Supras I've had over the years, and how I loved the big liftback storage area combined with the room to stretch out. That got me thinking: what ever happened to the big liftback coupes that used to be everywhere? Almost everything has gone to a traditional trunk.

In the 80's you had the Supra, 300ZX, RX7, Starion, GM F-bodies and even the Fox Mustang with liftbacks. Heading into the 90's most of these cars went out of production, leaving the smaller Celica alongside cars like the MX-6 and Probe, which both died before the decade was over. Heading into the 2000's Saab was pretty much the only company offering such a thing except for the final Celica and Tiburon, and both stopped production by the middle of the decade. The only car I can think of that currently fits the larger liftback coupe mold is the Genesis Coupe (edit: this is not true, Gen Coupe actually has a regular trunk )

Am I forgetting something, or are liftback coupes all but dead?

T.J.
T.J. PowerDork
1/14/15 9:56 a.m.

Is a liftback coupe a hatchback?

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/14/15 9:57 a.m.

Technically, the Corvette qualifies.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/14/15 9:59 a.m.

The BMW Gran Coupe has 4 doors, but is called a coupe.

T.J.
T.J. PowerDork
1/14/15 9:59 a.m.
nicksta43 wrote: I will not get in an argument over what people consider a hatchback, again. I will not get in an argument over what people consider a hatchback, again. I will not get in an argument over what people consider a hatchback, again. I will not get in an argument over what people consider a hatchback, again. I will not get in an argument over what people consider a hatchback, again. I will not get in an argument over what people consider a hatchback, again. I will not get in an argument over what people consider a hatchback, again.
pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/14/15 10:03 a.m.

Not sure if the Mazda Coupe is a liftback or not. Or if it is real or not.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/14/15 10:06 a.m.

The Beetle kinda qualifies.

Gearheadotaku
Gearheadotaku GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/14/15 10:12 a.m.
pinchvalve wrote: Not sure if the Mazda Coupe is a liftback or not. Or if it is real or not.

I don't think that's real, but it needs to be.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
1/14/15 10:13 a.m.

How soon before Comstock's head explodes?

SlickDizzy
SlickDizzy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/14/15 10:27 a.m.

First of all, I was wrong; the Genesis Coupe does NOT have a liftback. Also, I don't care what you define as a hatchback, but for the sake of this thread, THIS is what I refer to:

NOT this:

Nick_Comstock
Nick_Comstock PowerDork
1/14/15 10:31 a.m.

T.J you funny

pushrod36
pushrod36 Reader
1/14/15 10:31 a.m.

Even tradtional trunk openings have shrunk. Several non-car people in my life have commented on this in the past five years. I suspect it has a lot to do with engineers increasing unibody stiffness.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UberDork
1/14/15 10:32 a.m.

The Scion TC and FRS should both qualify, too.

captdownshift
captdownshift GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/14/15 10:33 a.m.

the driver's side of a velostar?

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UberDork
1/14/15 10:33 a.m.

370z?

Nick_Comstock
Nick_Comstock PowerDork
1/14/15 10:44 a.m.

Btw, I completely agree with SlickDizzy's definitions.

Looks like the are options out there, you even can decide between two and four seats.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/14/15 10:59 a.m.

So the difference is the angle of the rear glass? Do we have a specific angle that converts from a hatchback to a "liftback coupe"? Or is it like the classic pornography definition, you know it when you see it?

Nick_Comstock
Nick_Comstock PowerDork
1/14/15 11:04 a.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner:

See T.J's post above. I will resist the urge. If you really want my opinion search for that thread

SlickDizzy
SlickDizzy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/14/15 11:06 a.m.

I'm primarily trying to think of something Grassroots-y and on the larger, less hardcore side. FRS/BRZ fits the definition but is a bit small and hardcore. The BMW Gran Coupes are stupid expensive and kind of silly for what they are. I just wish there was a modern equivalent of the MX-6, really. A Mazda 6 coupe would basically be exactly what I want. Even the Genesis would be great if it didn't have a regular trunk.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/14/15 11:15 a.m.
MadScientistMatt wrote: The Scion TC and FRS should both qualify, too.

The TC is a liftback but the FRS has a traditional trunk...glass not included.

SlickDizzy
SlickDizzy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/14/15 11:16 a.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner:

I think the difference is pretty simple; park a Supra and a GTI next to each other and tell me which is a liftback coupe and which is a two-box hatchback.

At the end of the day, though, the exterior distinction isn't as important to me as the design intent and resulting seating position. In most hot-hatches, you have a much more upright and cramped seating position, versus a sports coupe where you can sit in a much more relaxed fashion with your legs stretched out. I like liftback coupes because I get that seating position with the added practicality of a liftback/hatchback. See what I'm getting at? Again, I'm 6'3", with a 34" inseam. I drive a Focus right now and wish I could keep the hatchback function but sit lower and stretch out a bit in something with a longer wheelbase, which is what got me thinking...

DaveEstey
DaveEstey PowerDork
1/14/15 11:26 a.m.

RSX was a liftback

HappyAndy
HappyAndy UltraDork
1/14/15 11:31 a.m.

Having owned many SAABs, I can vouch for the versatility of hatchback/liftback sedans and coupes. I was a big mistake when GM / SAAB dropped the hatchback body style completely from their line. I would gladly trade a bit of body stiffness for a more useful back end. In SAABs case, it wasn't like the 9000 or c900 were floppy chassis to start with.

T.J.
T.J. PowerDork
1/14/15 11:34 a.m.

In reply to Nick_Comstock:

Rupert
Rupert HalfDork
1/14/15 11:43 a.m.

In reply to T.J.: Ok, no discussion of hatchback versus liftback. How do you feel about roadsters versus convertibles?

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