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LuxInterior
LuxInterior HalfDork
2/11/16 11:16 a.m.

The Miata is the RWD answer because: fun drivers car, great handling, cheap, fairly reliable.

Thought experiment: Using the same criteria, what's the AWD anwswer?

I need something that will do snowy mountain roads in Colorado with 4-5" of snow. I'd like something that's way more fun than my Cherokee. ..An affordable handling beast, that can deal with the occasional snowstorm on a steep road.

Is there such an animal?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/16 11:17 a.m.

Subaru RS. Like the one for sale on this board.

TGMF
TGMF Reader
2/11/16 11:35 a.m.

You mention mountains, so a NA four cylinder wont be enough gusto. WRX is solution.

Desmond
Desmond Reader
2/11/16 11:37 a.m.

In reply to TGMF:

WRX is anything but cheap around here. But this is largely location-dependant.

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
2/11/16 11:42 a.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: Subaru RS. Like the one for sale on this board.

Exactly, you should definitely buy that one.

Someone from Denver saw my ad and said it was a $7500 car there. I haven't had much interest at $5500 here (Ohio).

LuxInterior
LuxInterior HalfDork
2/11/16 11:45 a.m.
EvanB wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: Subaru RS. Like the one for sale on this board.
Exactly, you should definitely buy that one. Someone from Denver saw my ad and said it was a $7500 car there. I haven't had much interest at $5500 here (Ohio).

Nice looking car! Colorado = high prices for Subarus

LuxInterior
LuxInterior HalfDork
2/11/16 11:47 a.m.
TGMF wrote: You mention mountains, so a NA four cylinder wont be enough gusto. WRX is solution.

What about E30 325xi? How much does the AWD + ride height hurt the handling?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/16 11:48 a.m.
EvanB wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: Subaru RS. Like the one for sale on this board.
Exactly, you should definitely buy that one. Someone from Denver saw my ad and said it was a $7500 car there. I haven't had much interest at $5500 here (Ohio).

I am trying not to look at your ad. It is pushing my buttons, but I'd have to unload a bunch of cars to make room. I drove one of those cars when it was new and loved it.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/16 11:50 a.m.
LuxInterior wrote:
TGMF wrote: You mention mountains, so a NA four cylinder wont be enough gusto. WRX is solution.
What about E30 325xi? How much does the AWD + ride height hurt the handling?

They're all over CO. I'm not sure they tick the "fairly reliable" box. Parts availability may be a concern.

If you can't find an RS that's not in Ohio, the first-gen Legacy GT has the same powertrain in a bigger body and is less likely to have been in a McRae re-enactment. Put a bigger rear sway from an Outback on it and they're fun. My parents drove one for years.

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/11/16 11:53 a.m.

What has 8 cylinders, 4 wheel drive, manual transmission, 4 seats, is cheap, reliable, fun to drive, and abundant?

Two Miatas.

LuxInterior
LuxInterior HalfDork
2/11/16 12:03 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote:
LuxInterior wrote:
TGMF wrote: You mention mountains, so a NA four cylinder wont be enough gusto. WRX is solution.
What about E30 325xi? How much does the AWD + ride height hurt the handling?
They're all over CO. I'm not sure they tick the "fairly reliable" box. Parts availability may be a concern. If you can't find an RS that's not in Ohio, the first-gen Legacy GT has the same powertrain in a bigger body and is less likely to have been in a McRae re-enactment. Put a bigger rear sway from an Outback on it and they're fun. My parents drove one for years.

Good to know. I've driven a couple of Bug eye Imprezas at cheap-o lots. I'd describe the handling as "Fairly Soggy". But , I haven't driven a first gen with with fresh ball joints, bushings, & a bigger rear sway.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/11/16 12:33 p.m.

They've got a different feel. They're not sharp and pointy, they're long travel and the suspension wants to move. I didn't understand ours until I took it for a long trip on two-lane roads. They should work well on Colorado roads. The sway lets it rotate nicely.

NGTD
NGTD UltraDork
2/11/16 12:38 p.m.

WRX or if you want more ground clearance Outback.

If you like hunting Unicorns - 05-up Outback XT with a manual.

Forester XT's with a manual are nice but the owner's (and buyer's) of them seem to think they are made of the tears of Angels.

NGTD
NGTD UltraDork
2/11/16 12:39 p.m.

Early bugeye WRX sedan's came with a 20 mm sway bar that really wakes up the rear end.

stuart in mn
stuart in mn UltimaDork
2/11/16 12:46 p.m.
LuxInterior wrote: What about E30 325xi? How much does the AWD + ride height hurt the handling?

The e30 was a 325ix, it was the later cars that were named 325xi. They have more oversteer when compared to a two wheel drive e30, but otherwise drive and handle very good. I've had several of them and they are great in the snow.

The one problem is the front driveshaft doesn't engage very far into the transfer case, so there's a possibility of the splines stripping (I've had three cars, only one has had the problem.) It can be solved by shimming the driveshaft mount, or by using a guibo from a newer 3 series that's thicker.

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
2/11/16 1:02 p.m.
LuxInterior wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: If you can't find an RS that's not in Ohio, the first-gen Legacy GT has the same powertrain in a bigger body and is less likely to have been in a McRae re-enactment. Put a bigger rear sway from an Outback on it and they're fun. My parents drove one for years.
Good to know. I've driven a couple of Bug eye Imprezas at cheap-o lots. I'd describe the handling as "Fairly Soggy". But , I haven't driven a first gen with with fresh ball joints, bushings, & a bigger rear sway.

I definitely like the handling of the GC Impreza RS better than the bugeye wagon I had.

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
2/11/16 1:03 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote:
EvanB wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: Subaru RS. Like the one for sale on this board.
Exactly, you should definitely buy that one. Someone from Denver saw my ad and said it was a $7500 car there. I haven't had much interest at $5500 here (Ohio).
I am trying not to look at your ad. It is pushing my buttons, but I'd have to unload a bunch of cars to make room. I drove one of those cars when it was new and loved it.

If you unload the Cadillac that should make plenty of room.

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
2/11/16 3:56 p.m.
NGTD wrote: Forester XT's with a manual are nice but the owner's (and buyer's) of them seem to think they are made of the tears of Angels.

We're not that bad. They are great all-purpose cars, though.

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
2/11/16 4:10 p.m.

Forced induction is very nice at high altitudes. I'd look for a clean WRX somewhere in the country that doesn't value them as much as they do in CO, and fly in--- drive home.

NGTD
NGTD UltraDork
2/11/16 4:36 p.m.
Brett_Murphy wrote:
NGTD wrote: Forester XT's with a manual are nice but the owner's (and buyer's) of them seem to think they are made of the tears of Angels.
We're not that bad. They are great all-purpose cars, though.

The prices they are advertised for are unreal.

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed SuperDork
2/11/16 5:38 p.m.

AWD answer = Subaru. Sorry for the high prices though.

92dxman
92dxman SuperDork
2/11/16 6:18 p.m.

What about MazdaSpeed 6??

digdug18
digdug18 Dork
2/11/16 7:13 p.m.

I've been flogging a 1999 outback that is quite fun, though it will be more so after I swap a 6 cylinder in, with a 2 speed transfer case.

Also to add to the mix, Audi Allroad with the 2.7t engine, though pricey for upgrading, they can be had for somewhat cheap.

If not a wagon, Celica Altrac or Galant VR-4, both rare, but quite quick.

Boost_Crazy
Boost_Crazy Reader
2/11/16 10:26 p.m.

This looks like it could be a clean, unmolested low-ish mileage AWD Talon. These were very good handling cars out of the box with a good suspension design...

'98 Talon

oldopelguy
oldopelguy UltraDork
2/11/16 10:55 p.m.

I'm pretty sure the grand Cherokee had a full time 4wd transfer case that would probably fit in the XJ. Drop the ride height, stiffen the springs, call it good.

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