Wait there are headlights and taillights that don't leak?
Wait there are headlights and taillights that don't leak?
GameboyRMH wrote: Wait there are headlights and taillights that don't leak?
Yeah... they turn yellow instead
My mom's Bugeye Impreza has headlights that leak and turn yellow.
That's funny, mine don't.
Yeah but they're Lucas units that only work half the time right? 
I'm gunning for 75% of the time after I finish rewiring the car...
Poor robot. Those are delicate instruments. I can't believe alarms didn't go off, having toured a Toyota robotic unibody plant.
Of course, the scary thing is that it could have been misaligned somewhere else in the welding jig, pushing that rear right up. 
NOHOME wrote: Now, as to the insinuation that this is a precursor of poor build quality in the entire line, that is kind of silly.
Looks to be more prototype process than quality problems.
(and before you say "how can they sell prototypes?"- most OEM's have a stage of prototypes that are built to 100% production stadnards- line, machines, people, process, etc. These are the last ones built to find things exactly like that- to tune the system. They all come with real S/N's, cert papers, and can be sold IF they meet all of the standards- E36 M3 happens)
Nashco wrote: I can understand the guy's frustration, but I really think he's blowing the "structural" part out of proportion.
Maybe, but would you want to risk it in an accident? Can you imagine the headlines if this guy got hit and died because it was the one specific way this part would have prevented it? That's a chance the owner and the automaker aren't willing to make.
GameboyRMH wrote: Wait there are headlights and taillights that don't leak?
Yep, they're made of this space-age material called "glass".
I agree if the dealership or the manufacturer would have caught this it would have been repaired and no customer would have found out. I am sure it is not unusual for a repair like this to be handled before the customer takes delivery. I read the link, the repair involves a repaint on the quarter and drilling out the welds. I would knowingly not want to buy a new car with a repaint unless I was generously compensated for. Also, that repair will show up on his carfax and he will take a hit on its value no matter how good the repair is.
If a robotic arm above say a TX60 size did that and did not error out I would eat my hat. Nobody makes arms with the size needed for that type of panel with collision sensors that would allow that.
Someone had to do a hard reset or frame or board reset for that.
wearymicrobe wrote: If a robotic arm above say a TX60 size did that and did not error out I would eat my hat. Nobody makes arms with the size needed for that type of panel with collision sensors that would allow that. Someone had to do a hard reset or frame or board reset for that.
Good point; that took a bit of force to mangle. Wonder how it was missed by the robot?
For that matter, cameras do a lot of inspection nowadays and they are very effective. Wonder how that snuck by?
Winston wrote: That's funny, mine don't.
unfortunately, they don't light up the road much either 
how could you complain about this car....its...its got (gasp) 200 horsepower!!!! lol
hotchocolate wrote: We are always talking about how toyota lacks soul/character. This is character. It drives brilliantly and is not put together well. Ring any bells?
Well played, sir.
Strizzo wrote: In reply to Nashco: if they buy it back under the lemon law, they have to advertise that rather conspicuously when they re-sell it. there was an xterra with LEMON tags all over it when i was looking at nissans a while back.
They definitely don't have to buy it back as a lemon, if you're thinking they would have to do that by law. Consider it good will to take it as a trade in (at full purchase price) then sell him another one for the same price. Fix it as desired, then sell it used with 100 miles (or whatever) for very near MSRP. The dealership would take a pretty small hit in the end, I suspect, relative to the alternatives.
Bryce
whut a bunch of crap get out and drive the thing you guys got to get out more it looks like a piece of tin that does nothing
whut a bunch of crap get out and drive the thing you guys got to get out more it looks like a piece of tin that does nothing
Javelin wrote:GameboyRMH wrote: Wait there are headlights and taillights that don't leak?Yep, they're made of this space-age material called "glass".
I pulled two H6054s out of my 90 ram that looked like fishbowls. No matter how you turned them they didn't drip. Funny thing is both still lit up, but were dim because all the silver washed off the back.
Remember, the dealership bought this car from Toyota, before this guy bought it from them and now they're on the front line of this problem. They should be pretty pissed too because it's their headache.
Toyota should replace this car ASAP and then keep it off the road. They can study it, donate it to an aftermarket parts maker for R+D, give it to a racer or write it off.
For sure when the robot went in to clamp and weld, it caught an edge and shoved it back into the trunk.
I work on that kind of equipment. The robot should not be able to do that without shutting down with an overload fault.
Edit: I see wearymicrobe beat me to it.
Much ado about nothing.
A tempest in a teacup.
It's a crappy little trim piece in the trunk not a structural piece that if it fails the car falls apart.
From the looks of it it could have been someone getting caught on it and bending it a little. Probably someone in make ready or even someone putting the trunk lining in.
If the robots couldn't have done it then it had to be done post robots.
Methinks we have a few BRZ haters looking for something to blow all out of proportion.
Javelin wrote:GameboyRMH wrote: Wait there are headlights and taillights that don't leak?Yep, they're made of this space-age material called "glass".
The 911 clogging a bay at work has a glass headlight that is fogged on the inside. Like, with real fog, since the seal's bad and moisture got in there.
We can't find a replacement seal, it's only sold as a headlight assembly, which is Not Cheap. The Euro-spec lights have replacement lenses and seals available, but converting to Euro lights would cost about the same as replacing one US light.
(I have seen water-filled sealed beams before, too)
redneckmama wrote: Much ado about nothing.
Not really. Regardless of how it happened, or whether it's structural, a new car shouldn't have a defect like that.
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