My dream race car drive is not a modern F1 car; it's a Bugatti Type 35.
I am consistently blown away by how HARD they drive at the revival. Multi million dollar cars genuinely racing hard.
Around here, the vintage race groups are very much older guys having a nice day out driving their cars spiritedly. They are fast, but don't take risks like they do at the Revival
Trent said:I am consistently blown away by how HARD they drive at the revival. Multi million dollar cars genuinely racing hard.
Around here, the vintage race groups are very much older guys having a nice day out driving their cars spiritedly. They are fast, but don't take risks like they do at the Revival
I'm a much older guy and I drive my car like a fiend.
I frequently think that perhaps I should be less aggressive but then when I watch Goodwood and tell myself "nope"
Of course my car is worth about 49.990M less than a Ferrari GTO.
How much damage can you actually do to a 50 million dollar Ferrari though? I bet 10 million brings a smoking burnt out wreck back to it's former glory (by which I mean they moved the data plate onto another tool room copy).
I think the reality is a lot of the cars (at least the really expensive ones) we see being driven in anger aren't actually the originals but very true to the original copies. As long as it's got its FIA HTP it's good to go.
Not that I'm complaining, I love that we can still see a Ferrari/Jag/Maserati/Bugatti/Cobra/GT40 etc. being driven flat out raced door to door (wheel to wheel) with each other!
It's been patently waiting.
For you.
I love watching Goodwood. It's as if every 24 Hours of Lemons team was given unlimited funding and talent. LOL
My favorite was Junior Johnson in a big stock car in the "Saloon" group. It looked like a bunch of Jags and Morris's were parked on the track with that monster drifting past them.
Part of what makes this racing work is the tires -- you knew I was going to say that, right? :)
My understanding is they are an old-school bias ply with a sticky compound. Kinda like the old Hoosier Dirt Stockers. So you can run gobs of slip angle in corners, and still collect it up and power down the next straight. Unless you are in a Mini, in which case you again accumulate speed.
Avon and Pirelli have been official suppliers in the past.
In reply to Andy Hollis :
At some point over the revival weekend watching online I start googling bias-ply vintage race tires for my E28 track car lol
I really need to sort out a way to attend this one year.
Wow that is some fun racing to watch. I need to figure out a way to see Goodwood in person at some point.
There's something truly satisfying about watching priceless classics getting driven hard (just as nature intended)
Andy Hollis said:Part of what makes this racing work is the tires -- you knew I was going to say that, right? :)
My understanding is they are an old-school bias ply with a sticky compound. Kinda like the old Hoosier Dirt Stockers. So you can run gobs of slip angle in corners, and still collect it up and power down the next straight. Unless you are in a Mini, in which case you again accumulate speed.
Avon and Pirelli have been official suppliers in the past.
The tires are almost entirely why you can drive like this.
I am running Hoosier Vintage TDRs and they have huge slip angles.
I've also run Avon ACB 9s on the Datsun and they have even more tire wind up.
If you are driving a car with leaf springs it adds to it even further.
Tom1200 said:I've also run Avon ACB 9s on the Datsun and they have even more tire wind up.
If you are driving a car with leaf springs it adds to it even further.
Add in a period-correct school-bus diameter steering wheel and you have to start moving the wheel yesterday to get it to turn today.
Those pre-war cars are insane, you would never catch me alive in one of those things. I discovered cars in the 60s, this is more my style.
I have never driven on a race track and was once given a ride around Brainerd Internation Raceway in the track's Chevy Tahoe by the track mechanic after season when I was allowed to walk around the track. It was a blast.
What was super cool was once at the state fair some 30 years ago when they had a group G force simulator ride with Mario Andretti driving around the Indianapolis 500 track. I could swear it was of this car in the video below but I remember it being in much higher definition, and it must have been a much later track session in order to outfit the car with G force sensors.
Andy Hollis said:Part of what makes this racing work is the tires -- you knew I was going to say that, right? :)
My understanding is they are an old-school bias ply with a sticky compound. Kinda like the old Hoosier Dirt Stockers. So you can run gobs of slip angle in corners, and still collect it up and power down the next straight. Unless you are in a Mini, in which case you again accumulate speed.
Avon and Pirelli have been official suppliers in the past.
Answered a question I've had for a while.
I love watching the racing from Goodwood, especially the variety.
In reply to Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) :
Dominic Chinea on YouTube recently had a series of videos on restoration of one of those little Austin J40 pedal cars. They were amazingly advanced, compared to the pedal cars kids got here in the US - opening trunk and hood lids, lights that worked, and so on.
I'd love to go to any of the events at Goodwood some day. The competition level in every of the different classes is amazing, although my favorites are the races that have Ford Galaxies mixing it up with Minis.
This has been on my list of things to get to for a while and just haven't made it yet. In my imagination it probably smells better than it sounds.
I am taking the family to the festival of speed this summer and think I will be scouting for return trips...
Of note is the Goodwood Members meeting is about 3 weeks away.
Trent said:I am consistently blown away by how HARD they drive at the revival. Multi million dollar cars genuinely racing hard.
Around here, the vintage race groups are very much older guys having a nice day out driving their cars spiritedly. They are fast, but don't take risks like they do at the Revival
How many people are watching and how many camera crews are set up?
Andy Hollis said:Tom1200 said:I've also run Avon ACB 9s on the Datsun and they have even more tire wind up.
If you are driving a car with leaf springs it adds to it even further.
Add in a period-correct school-bus diameter steering wheel and you have to start moving the wheel yesterday to get it to turn today.
Check out the slip angle curve of a radial vs. a bias ply, if you haven't already. Bias plies aren't even close to peak grip at slip angles that are far off the wrong side of the cliff for radials.
That's the other thing, the bias plies have a long, lazy curve that doesn't punish overdriving nearly as much as radials do.
DjGreggieP said:I really need to sort out a way to attend this one year.
My mother asked if I wanted to do a trip for my 40th birthday this year. Not like a family trip, more like a fantasy (if I could go) trip.
My top answer was GoodWood, with Isle of Mann as my runner up...and I am not really a bike guy.
I think she was serious about the offer but I couldnt recieve that.
Another great thing about Goodwood is their willingness to livestream events.
The old Chicago Historic Races at Road America presented by Joe Marchetti in the 1980's had a lot of pre-WWII cars. I've never seen so many Bugatti's in one place in my entire life. There were many other marques as well.
But as time went on, the value of these cars skyrocketed and fewer owners seemed to be willing to risk the cars.
It has to be said that Road America didn't really suit the pre-war cars very well. RA is a horsepower track, and it took a looong time to get one of those cars up and down the various straights.
I'm glad Goodwood exists.
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