Argo1
Argo1 GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/14/14 6:25 p.m.

This is the forth installment in my series where I compare used car choices that cost somewhere around the price of a new fully equipped Miata. The idea is to see what else that amount of money buys. Are there options for faster or better cars? How do they stack up?

I usually stick to later model cars that could be reasonably expected to provide reliable daily service. I will also not review anything that gets above the 30's in fair market price. All fun type cars. No boring cars.

I will share what they are like to live with in daily use. The good stuff and the annoyances. Hopefully, this will help those who are considering purchasing one. Don't look for performance data, specs, and such. You can find all that elsewhere. These are all strictly my opinions and experiences. Your mileage may vary. Owners are welcome to chime in with their experiences. You can find all the previous reviews at www.alsoranracing.com

This month I am driving a John Cooper Works edition Mini. This example is a 2011 model with just over 20k miles on the clock. The JCW edition is the Cooper S on steroids. More power, torque, tuned suspension, bigger wheels, Brembo brakes, trick electronic diff, and trim options. You can expect to pay a couple grand premium over a standard S but Minis tend to be affordable in the used market.

Some of that affordability is due to a reputation for some quality and reliability issues. Some of the reputation is earned. Not all. Most of the bad rap comes from repair costs of the automatic transmission and engine issues. The first one is easy. Don't get the automatic.

The Mini is often touted as being built by BMW. Well, sort of. It's designed by BMW and built in the U.K. with the '06 and earlier cars having a Chrysler based four banger. It's the Chrysler based engine that is the real concern. Most complaints center around it. Properly maintained and not abused it can provide good service. It is important to have the engine fully checked out before your purchase. Newer models have an improved engine design shared with Peugeot and Citroen.

BMW has worked steadily on refining and improving the motor. The JCW version is a good running engine with plenty of power. The twin-scroll turbo provides lots of low end punch and no turbo lag. BMW has turbos figured out. The around town grunt puts the Porsche Cayman to shame. Technically, the Cayman may have slightly better performance numbers but you have to wind it out to get there. Not the Mini. Good power is available at any rpm.

The six speed has well spaced ratios though the shifter is a bit notchy. Exhaust note is perfectly suited to the car. You can accent it by pressing the Sport button which also makes for a nice burble and pop on overrun. It's what the Miata should sound like. The Sport button also sharpens up the steering and throttle response which starts out pretty good anyway.

The chassis is taught and nicely balance. The ride is firm but better than the Lexus ISF in spite of the short wheelbase. The low profile tires on big wheels contribute to the stiffness but also provide impressive grip. Front wheel drive vices are well controlled. I'm not a fan of FWD performance cars but I like this one. It has a collection of mechanical and electronic tricks which keep the front drive tamed even with 208 hp. There is no torque steer. You can accelerate from a stop with your hands off the wheel and it will go straight. Turn off the traction control and it's a different story. For that reason, the car is the most fun zipping around at 8/10's. Pressed hard, there is some interference by the onboard nannies.

Still, you find yourself tempted to blow off the grocery store run and find an empty parking lot to hoon around a bit. The car just begs you to do it. The thing is a hoot to drive and puts a smile on your face. In fact, it's hard to take much of the world seriously while looking out over the goofy Mini dashboard. Mini owners also tend to smile and wave at each other, sort of like Porsche owners used to do back in the '70's.

Minis are reasonably practical as long as the back seat isn't important. It nips into garages and parking places easily and, unlike many small cars, you sit up high with the adults in traffic. In traffic with trucks and SUVs, I always felt like a bug that was about to be squashed when I was in my Miata. You don't have that feeling in a Mini. The front passenger space is quite roomy. Seats are decent but I would have liked a nice set of sport seats to go with the JCW package. Assembly and materials quality may not be BMW standards but neither is the price. The car is rattle free and overall it is reasonably good for it's class. Annoyances are few: The cheap feeling center console kept getting bumped open with my elbow. Rear seat headrests block some rear vision. The sport and traction control buttons are behind the shifter on the floor. Really, just nits to pick.

The retro styled dash also goes its own way on minor controls. The stalks are momentary switches. It's a push button on the end of the stalk for fixed speed intermittent wipers. Toggle switches on the console control the windows. You get used to it, though I prefer window switches on the doors. Controls for climate and entertainment are easier to figure out than most in spite of the unusual styling. I wonder if we will ever get standardized locations for secondary controls in cars? It's always a challenge when you get into a strange car at night. Absent from the dash are gauges. You get a speedo, tach, and fuel gauge. That's it. Not even a temp gauge. That bothers me, especially considering the reliability concerns. Gas mileage is not a concern. It is upper twenties around town and upper thirties on the highway.

I guess you have figured out that I like the car. It has some issues but, in the smiles per dollar index, it rates pretty high. The JCW edition is a bit more hard core than the standard S but I like it. There aren't that many of them on the used market but S versions are plentiful. The S and even the standard car are fun for the money. Just remember to get the manual transmission and have that Chrysler engine checked out.

Ian F
Ian F UltimaDork
3/14/14 6:52 p.m.

Interesting... I disagree about the engine comparisons. The turbo S engine has numerous issues from timing chain issues to intake clogging (apparently, BMW hasn't figured that out yet, as the _35i engine seems to do it as well). Conversely, while the Tritec engine is quite "British" in its tendency to leak oil, and one would expect better MPG out of 1.6L, the engine is otherwise a tank and can withstand some serious abuse and HP modifications.

Lugnut
Lugnut Dork
3/14/14 8:25 p.m.

I don't have a JCW. I have an '09 R56 S hardtop. If I baby it and pay attention to my mileage (rather than out and out hypermiling, where I have done 42mpg) I get 33mpg. If I hammer it and use all my boosts and drive it like it asks me to, I get 31.5mpg. It just doesn't seem to care much how it's being driven.

And I agree with Ian on the engine. Mine leaks a bunch of oil and has some valvetrain noise. The oil feeds to and from the turbo are notorious for leaking. Both of mine are right now. A billion heat shields and the entire downpipe have to come off to get to them.

I have had this car for 26 months. This, as most of you know, is a very long time for me. The only car I have had for longer is my '05 6.0 6spd GTO, which I kept for a record-smashing 50 months. Next is my E46 M3, which I had for 24 months to the day. I can't really decide whether I am bored with it or not, or want to do something with it. I have been thinking about a more roarty exhaust and maybe a JCW turbo and a tune. Or maybe the "Replace with an RX-8 mod". There's no way to know.

All in all, though, all of your what's it like to live with observations are pretty accurate. If I keep it, I am getting the extra two guages that mount offsides from the tach - the temp gauge and the boost gauge.

Ditch the run-flats. It'll make a HUGE difference in the noise in the cabin.

Argo1
Argo1 GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/15/14 10:35 a.m.

This is one of the few cars I have tested that I would actually buy. This engine is exhibiting no oil leaks or other issues. Enough concern does still exist that it would be wise to have your mechanic check out a car you are interested in or purchase an extended service plan and then not worry about it.

Aspen
Aspen Reader
3/16/14 12:09 a.m.

good review, but I also think you got your engines concerns backwards. I would and did take the sc Triton over the turbo prince any day. The better economy of the prince will be lost once you pay to have the intake walnut blasted and then get the timing chain fixed.

pappatho
pappatho New Reader
3/16/14 12:30 p.m.

MINI never could get my '09 JCW running right. It would make knocking/pinging noises under full throttle acceleration at around 3,000 rpm (if I remember right) and then completely cut out like the computer was cutting fuel. More often when it was warm out. It was not super repeatable, but I did get it to do it for the mechanic once and he said it was knocking like crazy. The dealership kept telling me either it wasn't a problem and don't worry about, it was bad gas, or they fixed it. I think I had the car in something like 10 times and they would just rotate through one of these answers. When my warranty was almost up I got corporate MINI involved and they were no help. The last I heard was they were blaming it on me because during a drive with the mechanic I skipped a gear as in I went from 4th or 3rd to 6th. I do this if I had already accelerated to a point where the highest gear is acceptable. For example if I accelerate up an on ramp and am at cruising speed like 70 mph I will go directly to 6th instead of shifting to 5th and then 6th. I was not shifting into 6th when it would drop the rpm too low and lug the engine.

I loved the car when it was working right, but it couldn't be counted on to work correctly. Since MINI treated me very poorly I have decided not to buy another MINI product. This doesn't stop me from buying Austin or Morris Minis though.

Regarding the review, I don't agree with the part about the sport button sharpening steering. It makes it heavier, but doesn't add feel or sharpness.

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe Dork
3/16/14 12:44 p.m.

Sport button just remaps the throttle and decreases the power steering a bit.

The JCW is a fine car to have in short bursts but the JCW suspension + option with the factory run-flats makes the car borderline undrivable. It is stiffer and less forgiving then my old ACR with even-thing turned to 11 for stiffness. Plus when they removed the body kit as a a few option on the JCW they just priced that car way to high.

Argo1
Argo1 GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/16/14 11:47 p.m.

No doubt the JCW edition Mini was priced out of reason but that is also what makes them a good buy used. Dropping values hit them hard. I only have short term exposure to the JCW but I have had no issues. Then again, it only has 20K miles on it. I wonder how prevalent the engine issues are? Is it like the IMS bearing in the Porsche engines? 95% are fine, the other 5% are toast. Anyone get trouble free service from their Mini?

Ian F
Ian F UltimaDork
3/17/14 7:46 a.m.

Define "trouble free". I've been fairly active in local MINI clubs for the past decade-plus now. The short answer is: No. Every owner I've known has had their car in for warranty work to some extent, some more serious than others. From what I've seen and heard, the R53 engine was far more reliable than the R56 turbo.

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