Anonymous VS. ISIS

http://news.yahoo.com/anonymous-vs--islamic-state---opparis-heats-up-as-hackers-target-terrorists-163047706.html

I've been enjoying this, it would be great if a non-governmental group is what breaks Isis.

Awesome.

chandlerGTi wrote: I've been enjoying this, it would be great if a non-governmental group is what breaks Isis.

Great, and sadly, not surprising given government's inability (or unwillingness) to effectively deal with them.

I think you would be pretty naive to think that the government is not already heavily involved with the ISholes already. Realistically, Anonymous, if they make any real progress, are as likely to hinder US cyber efforts as help.

Check out Stuxnet if you want an idea of the stuff that is going on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

Sadly it was not nearly as successful as it might have been because of some very skilled civilian virus researchers.

In reply to aircooled:

Yes, their track record speaks for itself. And I'm the one that's naive. LOL.

There is a big debate surrounding whether its better to let websites and accounts remain active as to track users who view them regularly, or take them down, as to not attract users at all.

Well, I approve, even if they happen to 'hinder' any us government actions.

The only way the world will win against hate groups is when EVERYONE gets together and says it is unacceptable.

The U.S. govt is doing a lot about it. But, you know. The master killing his rogue apprentice is never an easy thing to do.

Interesting. If Isis works in bitcoin, Anonymous cold probably make them all disappear.

1988RedT2 wrote: In reply to aircooled: Yes, their track record speaks for itself. And I'm the one that's naive. LOL.

Well, neither you or I really know what they are doing (you know "secret"). So yes, we both are.

Pretty much by definition / necessity, the better they are at what they do, the less anyone will know about it. So, if you think they are doing nothing, mission accomplished.

In reply to aircooled:

Unless, of course, they actually are doing nothing.

SVreX wrote: In reply to aircooled: Unless, of course, they actually are doing nothing.

Quoted for likelihood

I think that someone needs to "out" the entire family tree of anyone found to be affiliated with ISIS. Innocent or not, they form part of the DNA chain that keeps them going. That would encourage people to police their own. I have a mental image of planes air dropping (with parachutes)thousands of relatives over Syria rather than bombs.

Lets us say that for every refugee that comes here, we send over a known family member of a known ISIS fighter? Start with their parents for breeding them in the first place.

SVreX wrote: In reply to aircooled: Unless, of course, they actually are doing nothing.

Oh come on now! You honestly think they are doing nothing?

I do find it interesting though that is is very fashionable to denigrate people who work for the government, even if their job is to protect the U.S. Unless they are in the military of course, then they somehow all become hero's.

The intelligence services have likely done far more then most will ever know to protect Americans and others and are almost never recognized for it. But as noted, that is the nature of their job. They don't need nor want your confidence, but they will still protect you...

aircooled wrote:

SVreX wrote: In reply to aircooled: Unless, of course, they actually are doing nothing.

I do find it interesting though that is is very fashionable to denigrate people who work for the government, even if their job is to protect the U.S. Unless they are in the military of course, then they somehow all become hero's. The intelligence services have likely done far more then most will ever know to protect Americans and others and are almost never recognized for it. But as noted, that is the nature of their job. They don't need nor want your confidence, but they will still protect you...

I can confirm this.

The CIA and other agents I've met and worked with while in Afghanistan have sacrificed just as much and usually more than us avg military members. I also believe the said 3 letter agencies have done more to directly and indirectly protect the citizens of this country than the military has in the last 30 years or so. Nothing we've done in Iraq or Afghanistan has resulted in a safer America. You think ousting a dictator in Iraq or killing random insurgents in Afghanistan has made America safer? Our biggest threats are countries that have advance and developed militaries and weaponry. Terrorist is not something you can wage war against because they can be homegrown and undetectable until the moment they act. There's really nothing that can be done to stop this E36 M3 completely. Humanity has and always will have it's terrorist.

It's popular to criticize the government when it comes to war or dealing with extremist. E36 M3 is so complicated when you're in the know. People who get their knowledge and experience from Fox or CNN news can only say huge blanketed statement from ignorance. Which is not their fault.

ISIS is for real though. They're capable, intelligent, and motivated. They're going to make Europe a not so assuring place to live for the next few years.

I highly doubt SVreX meant it like that.

fasted58 wrote: I highly doubt SVreX meant it like that.

Thank you.

I have never denigrated the military, nor the government, and have nothing but utter appreciation for their services.

I also have learned there are people on this site who love taking shots at me, and resistance is futile, so I am pretty much done with worrying about it or trying to defend myself against it.

Some folks just need a scapegoat. Happy to oblige. Hope I've made someone's life a little happier.

I appreciate you, fasted58.

Well, I am sure we all appreciate your sacrifices.

Perhaps if you post what you actually mean you won't need to be un-nailed from so many crosses.

I have to admit though, I am a bit confused as to who's sins you are being burdened with. Not people who believe it is reasonable to assume those with the responsibility of defending the country have no interest in doing anything about one of the most significant current threats?

In reply to aircooled:

No burden here. I quoted you. It was a stupid statement. Is that what you wanted to hear me say?

Lack of a negative event happening is not evidence that effective solutions have taken place. It is only evidence that a negative event has not happened.

I didn't say a damned thing about the military or the government having no interest in doing something about a threat. You did. Or at least you claimed I did. You were arguing with 1988RedT2 (whose statements I disagree with), not me. Your bone was not against me.

You imagined it. Plain and simple. Your cross is imaginary (though your desire to burn it on my lawn is apparently not).