If you go back through this thread I have posted up photos of these setups I have. I have separate lowers but you could easily just have a single lower. Swapping uppers takes less than a minut.
I can take photos of them together tonight and post them up so you can see the comparative scale of the two setups.
dean1484 said:You can hunt with a ar15. What I think you should consider is at AR15 lower as a platform. Put a decent trigger in it and kit it out with the stock of choice. I personally like the Sones of Liberty ambi complete lowers. There are many choices just get a name brand. Once you have this you can then build/purchas two uppers.
Upper number 1 would be a short barrel my go to is a Sones of Liberty 13.75" barrel with a 2.5" muzzle devise. I use a warden set up with a removable blast deflector (because suppressors are illegal in my state). What ever you do make sure that the muzzle devise is installed such that the barrel plus muzzle devise is longer than 16". If you want shorter you have to SBR the firearm. (Registering it with the ATF at a cost). This is a proper home defense set up. It really does not even need an optic. Maybe put a light on it.
Upper number 2 would be a long barrel of medium weight 20" or more that you spend some $$$ on for accuracy. Add decent optic that you spend some $$$ on. This is your hunting/longer range set up. I would make sure that this barrel is designed for both 223 and 556. This would be your longer range hunting rifle.
I have both set ups both built with a specific purpose. Think of it as a battery powered tool eco system with the lower being the battery and the upper being the actual tool.
I think we may be off a bit. This thing is tertiary for self defense behind a pistol and a shorter shotgun. The only use of this rifle is SHTF scenario like Ukraine or Israel is facing or other unpredictable disaster.
In reply to tuna55 :
Ammo storage for AR15 + hunting rifle is less, but irrelevant. A regular shoebox is a tiny space and holds hundreds and hundreds of rounds.
You have no bad choices on your list. One warning, meeting someone with only one gun is like meeting someone with only one tattoo. Even if your plan is only one...
matthewmcl said:In reply to tuna55 :
Ammo storage for AR15 + hunting rifle is less, but irrelevant. A regular shoebox is a tiny space and holds hundreds and hundreds of rounds.
You have no bad choices on your list. One warning, meeting someone with only one gun is like meeting someone with only one tattoo. Even if your plan is only one...
Well true, but I mean I could get 500 rounds of 223 and 500 rounds of 308 (or 30-06 or whatever hunting cartridge), or I could get 1000 rounds of 308 and have more versatility.
Also I have a shotgun and the Glock 23. Three is plenty.
Still not loving the idea of 223 for hunting. While not a hunter, I understand the idea well enough, and though in this scenario it wouldn't be relevant, several states disallow hunting even a deer with 223.
In reply to tuna55 :
If you have a pistol and a shotgun, and you get an AR-10, then all you need to do is get a good .22 rifle and you're all set. I'm partial to the Ruger 10/22 takedown in stainless steel.
The .22 is also great hunting rifle, if you don't mind eating squirrels and such.
Brett_Murphy (Agent of Chaos) said:In reply to tuna55 :
If you have a pistol and a shotgun, and you get an AR-10, then all you need to do is get a good .22 rifle and you're all set. I'm partial to the Ruger 10/22 takedown in stainless steel.
The .22 is also great hunting rifle, if you don't mind eating squirrels and such.
You know... When I got to sc from rural New York, a southern boy brought in squirrel for me trying to test me.
It was delicious.
Last question on the ar10 hunt. Is there any reason to spend the extra $200 on the armalite flavor over the PSA flavor?
In reply to tuna55 :
I get it. Again, every option you have listed is a good option. At this point it is just deciding what floats your boat.
dean1484 said:Upper number 1 would be a short barrel my go to is a Sones of Liberty 13.75" barrel with a 2.5" muzzle devise. I use a warden set up with a removable blast deflector (because suppressors are illegal in my state). What ever you do make sure that the muzzle devise is installed such that the barrel plus muzzle devise is longer than 16". If you want shorter you have to SBR the firearm. (Registering it with the ATF at a cost). This is a proper home defense set up. It really does not even need an optic. Maybe put a light on it.
The barrel extension on sub 16" barrels needs to be welded or soldered on otherwise, if the extension can be un-screwed, its still a SBR in ATF land.
jharry3 said:dean1484 said:Upper number 1 would be a short barrel my go to is a Sones of Liberty 13.75" barrel with a 2.5" muzzle devise. I use a warden set up with a removable blast deflector (because suppressors are illegal in my state). What ever you do make sure that the muzzle devise is installed such that the barrel plus muzzle devise is longer than 16". If you want shorter you have to SBR the firearm. (Registering it with the ATF at a cost). This is a proper home defense set up. It really does not even need an optic. Maybe put a light on it.
The barrel extension on sub 16" barrels needs to be welded or soldered on otherwise, if the extension can be un-screwed, its still a SBR in ATF land.
This!!!
In reply to tuna55 :
I'd save the $200 for either ammo or eventual upgrades.
barefootcyborg5000 said:In reply to tuna55 :
I'd save the $200 for either ammo or eventual upgrades.
That's what I'm thinking. Bipod, scope, several magazines, lots of ammo. I know the Armalite brand, obviously, and the PSA is pretty well regarded, so I wasn't sure.
If your only plan for hunting is SHTF, just get a 5.56 AR. Legality will be much less an issue than lethality, and 5.56 is plenty to drop deer. More deer have probably been killed with .22lr over the last hundred years than any other single cartridge... just not legally.
Don't forget to factor training into your ammunition supply. 5.56 isn't cheap, but feeding a .308 AR for training gets expensive, quickly.
Personally, I think a two-gun solution is a better option, because in most cases 'multi-role' just means that every role is compromised.
Edited to add: I wouldn't spend anything extra to get an Armalite over a PSA. IMHO, until you spend over $2k, you're not going to see a notice any significant ROI.
In reply to tuna55 :
Probably not. Use the $200 to buy up practice ammunition.
Once you have an AR-10 base, changing out parts isn't as easy as with an AR-15, but it isn't terribly difficult, either. You just have to stick with the same design pattern. I think the PSA AR-10s are based on the DPMS pattern and Armalite is Armalite. Whichever one you choose, you'll be locked into.
In reply to tuna55 :
If you're buying in store, see if they'll work a deal on a better (preferably ambidextrous) charge handle.
tuna55 said:dean1484 said:You can hunt with a ar15. What I think you should consider is at AR15 lower as a platform. Put a decent trigger in it and kit it out with the stock of choice. I personally like the Sones of Liberty ambi complete lowers. There are many choices just get a name brand. Once you have this you can then build/purchas two uppers.
Upper number 1 would be a short barrel my go to is a Sones of Liberty 13.75" barrel with a 2.5" muzzle devise. I use a warden set up with a removable blast deflector (because suppressors are illegal in my state). What ever you do make sure that the muzzle devise is installed such that the barrel plus muzzle devise is longer than 16". If you want shorter you have to SBR the firearm. (Registering it with the ATF at a cost). This is a proper home defense set up. It really does not even need an optic. Maybe put a light on it.
Upper number 2 would be a long barrel of medium weight 20" or more that you spend some $$$ on for accuracy. Add decent optic that you spend some $$$ on. This is your hunting/longer range set up. I would make sure that this barrel is designed for both 223 and 556. This would be your longer range hunting rifle.
I have both set ups both built with a specific purpose. Think of it as a battery powered tool eco system with the lower being the battery and the upper being the actual tool.
I think we may be off a bit. This thing is tertiary for self defense behind a pistol and a shorter shotgun. The only use of this rifle is SHTF scenario like Ukraine or Israel is facing or other unpredictable disaster.
So you take the 16-inch version (or the longer barreled upper if you like) and use 556 green tips. You will not have any problems dispatching SHTF targets.
I seem to be roughly even in terms of the 1 AR10 solution vs the AR15 .223 plus a bolt 308 solution. I've checked a bit and the latter is more expensive unless I take Dean's 1.5 gun solution.
I'm definitely leaning towards the AR10... for reasons...
In reply to tuna55 :
I don't regret mine.
That said, in the couple years since purchase, it has gotten more company in the safe.
tuna55 said:I seem to be roughly even in terms of the 1 AR10 solution vs the AR15 .223 plus a bolt 308 solution. I've checked a bit and the latter is more expensive unless I take Dean's 1.5 gun solution.
I'm definitely leaning towards the AR10... for reasons...
An AR10 is lots of fun!!! There is a satisfaction in shooting a larger caliber rifle that an AR-15 just does not have. Not that an AR 15 is bad. I have a couple and like them. In fact I have two complete lowers new in the box that I was going to build out but I got distracted with AK's and a Benelli M4 that I picked up. ;-) Don't let me stop you from getting an AR10. I highly recommend one. Everyone should have at least one in their collection.
ordered.
Stay tuned.
I'll figure out a scope and bipod and magazines soon.
In reply to tuna55 :
"for reasons..." is the best reason. If it is not what YOU want, there is no point.
Basic magpul mags seem to work well. I recently got a bipod that attaches to the top of the handguard, rather than the bottom. It "falls" to the rifle being upright, rather than tilted, and I like that.
This is my Son's Of Liberty Build. In terms of cost it is a bit over the top.
As short a rifle that you can build with out it being a SBR. Very light and very soft shooting and very accurate out to 300 yards. I have not shot it farther than that yet. My son specked out this rifle. It uses some expensive parts and it was custom sericoated. The grip is completely custom to fit the lower. This can be replicated for much less than what this exact rifle cost. As an example the Warden blast deflector is around $400 by its self. There are $100 options and if you just put a simple brake on it you can bring that down to $50 or forgo that all together and just put a 16" upper on it if you don't mind fireballs and a bit more bounce/kick.
So here is an interesting comparison
Top is a Armalite AR10
Middle is my Preban lower with an adjustable stock and a mill spec upper (I have a 20" ss upper I use on this most of the time)
Bottom is the rifle above.
Size wise there really is not much difference. Weight wise the AR10 is a couple lbs more than the others
I would like to get an AR-15 platform in 300 HAM'r. It seems to be the answer to me in AR calibers. But there are not very many people that think so.
In reply to Noddaz :
I run mostly supersonic in my "blackout," with a fairly long COAL, so I am 50-75 fps slower than the HAMr. I like that. It seems the HAMr is really close to 7.62x39, in performance, but with better bullet choices and mags.
Would you reload it or are there enough commercial options to make it worth it?
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