If you are willing to take a chance on missing it, Google the vin regularly. Eventually, it will go to auction, and you'll have another chance. Another option might be to go to an affiliated lot. Find a hungry kid at the beater lot down the street to sell you the car.
Klayfish wrote: I dunno, to me it's fairly simple. Do you want the car? Would you let your pride get in the way of getting the car you lust after at a great price? I know I wouldn't. Besides, I'd have no qualms with walking back into the dealer. After all, they were the ones playing the games with you. I'd go back in and simply say that you didn't appreciate the treatment you received last time, but are still interested in the car. You could probably even use it as leverage to say "Here's your chance to turn this into a positive customer experience...." Besides, if you buy the car, once you drive away you'd never have to see or speak to them again if you don't want to.
This is the best way to handle it and they will probably come up on the trade offer too, seeing that your serious about their car.
Is trade value not an issue at this new price, or are you just not trading the Mustang?
If you are not trading period, then I would try to work on an online deal, show up when you take delivery.
Will only say this: never EVER give your keys to anyone at a dealership EXCEPT the service department and that only if they are to work on it. The place I work for doesn't do that 'hostage keys' thing but I have worked for some that have, I have once seen a fist fight and another time the police were called.
I've never bought a new car. What is this "key hostage" game? You give them the keys so they can "check over" your trade, and then they refuse you give your keys back when you decline their offer?
Something like that. They won't mention it until you ask about your keys then they tell you don't worry you'll get them when the deal is done.
First time a dealer did that to me I threatened to call the police for theft. I had important work keys on my keyring at the time. I was military at the time and a platoon sgt of a helicopter flight platoon. Access to the hanger, helicopters and associated equipment was on the keyring. Got my keys back quickly when I picked up their phone to call the cops.
It's been a few months and like most retail business's they deal with lots of people and won't remember someone from months ago. Unless you made an impression.
**** em. its a crappy heavy dodge thing with tons of horsepower so it will move its planetlike weight. go find another one.
-J0N
iadr wrote:Datsun1500 wrote: It's a used car. No other dealer will do a dealer swap for a used car.We do it all the time
I used to do that all the time.
If they're pullin' that kind of crap, I'd say bury the hatchet and bury it deep. Screw that noise. No sleazy bs dealer is going to get my dough no matter how tingly my loins are for an R/T. Hell, for spite I would probably visit every other Dodge dealer in the area and walk their lot in the economy section, wait and see who treated me decently and then ask them to do the transfer. Reward the dealer who treats you with respect, then go do smoky burnouts in the first guy's lot. 
I wouldn't react well to the hostage keys trick.
Curmudgeon wrote: Will only say this: never EVER give your keys to anyone at a dealership EXCEPT the service department and that only if they are to work on it. The place I work for doesn't do that 'hostage keys' thing but I have worked for some that have, I have once seen a fist fight and another time the police were called.
I've only bought 2 new cars … not counting the one I'm in the process of buying now … only once did I have a trade in … they "needed" the keys to "check out" my car … was this in fact true … can they access the value of the trade in without starting/driving it ?
didn't have a problem with the keys being held hostage … and got a decent deal on the car
EastCoastMojo wrote: If they're pullin' that kind of crap, I'd say bury the hatchet and bury it deep. Screw that noise. No sleazy bs dealer is going to get my dough no matter how tingly my loins are for an R/T. Hell, for spite I would probably visit every other Dodge dealer in the area and walk their lot in the economy section, wait and see who treated me decently and then ask them to do the transfer. Reward the dealer who treats you with respect, then go do smoky burnouts in the first guy's lot.
Absolutely do this. 
In reply to The_Jed:
You and me both.
I have had that crap pulled on my once at a Toyota Dealership. I just pulled out the cell and called the non-emergency number for the cops. The keys got to my hand before I finished the first sentence with the dispatcher.
I have done car sales before. I never, ever did sleazy stuff like that. I don't get what they are trying to pull. It would be like an onion article "Man buys car because dealer lost his keys."
It's almost as bad as "Man intentionaly buys car wash at pump. Gas stations feel justified in expense."
Last time I bought a car, it was my Mazda. They didn't have my exact car in stock (they had to trade with another dealer) so they threw me the keys to a similarly equipped one on the lot. They asked me for my keys AFTER I got back from my unsupervised test drive, and they drove my WRX around the lot for a few minutes, got out of the car, and handed the keys back to me. THAT is how it should be a EVERY dealer, and that was one of the reasons I bought my car from them.
The dealer I originally went to lied on the phone saying they had a car in stock when they didn't, gave me a price they couldn't honor, etc... They have since lost their Mazda franchise.
The key ploy is just the last ditch effort to keep you on the lot just a little longer while they try to figure out how to schmooze you back in after their insulting treatment. While I'm pretty easy going, raised voice didn't work, yelling however did.
As I get older I've learned to let a lotta stuff go that used to irritate me... politics, social issues etc. Not ready to dismiss sleazy dealers yet. I been 50/50 on going back to this car but can't justify it. I will own an R/T someday, just not from them.
Keeping the Mustang for now, not done playin' yet. It's getting a brake flush and SS flex hoses next week.
Car lust is powerful, cool down and think. Still a few other vehicles on 'my list' yet.
wbjones wrote:Curmudgeon wrote: Will only say this: never EVER give your keys to anyone at a dealership EXCEPT the service department and that only if they are to work on it. The place I work for doesn't do that 'hostage keys' thing but I have worked for some that have, I have once seen a fist fight and another time the police were called.I've only bought 2 new cars … not counting the one I'm in the process of buying now … only once did I have a trade in … they "needed" the keys to "check out" my car … was this in fact true … can they access the value of the trade in without starting/driving it ? didn't have a problem with the keys being held hostage … and got a decent deal on the car
The problem is, until you hand them the keys you don't know just what their intentions are. They should check out your trade, it only makes sense. But- the time to do THAT is after you have found a car you are truly interested in and have a price (at least a starting price) for that vehicle in mind. At this point, there is a legit reason to let them check your trade so they can put some kind of a number on it.
The problem happens when they want your keys very early on, no pricing has been discussed and somehow they just can't seem to produce them if/when things don't go well with negotiations. That is a sleazy tactic designed to keep you there as they try to browbeat you into a sale.
It works on some people; a friend of mine stopped by a Ford dealer some years ago just to look at an Escort and like she told me later 'I don't know what happened. Four hours later I was driving a new car and I'm not sure exactly why or how.' They had gotten her trade keys very early on, it was a Fiesta. They would only give her $100 for it 
, she had enough sense to turn that down and she sold it to me for $250. All it needed was a Duraspark ignition module.
And as a PSA two of the dealerships I worked at which used 'hostage key' tactics were Toyota dealers.
I've never had a bad dealer experience and the two times I've traded a car are because I was getting no takers advertising locally and both times they offered more than I wanted, and in line with what I'd been advertising it for locally. I'm stunned this E36 M3 continues.
I did have a fried who wanted to buy a Z28 back in the 90's, they were really patronizing at one dealer trying to tell her she wanted a V6 instead, you know, being a girl and all that. Dumb asses. She went to another dealer, got a great deal then drove back to the first place. Parked right in front and went to talk to the Manager, showing him the car his sales team could have sold if they weren't sexist mouth breathing knuckle draggers.
If you want this car try buying it through the internet or find another dealer to do a swap, then go and do what she did. Park out front and explain tot eh Manager how sales person X treated you and how you ended up buying the same car.
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