Charleston.

SVreX wrote: The pastor, Rev Clementa Pickney was one of the victims. He was a SC State Senator. Heartbreaking.

4 of the 6 pastors at the church were victims, last I heard.

SVreX wrote: The pastor, Rev Clementa Pickney was one of the victims. He was a SC State Senator. Heartbreaking.

All 9 of the victims were human. Heartbreaking

Heartbreaking for sure. From what I heard, they were at a bible study or meeting, it wasn't an actual service. Not that that matters in any way. Glad they caught the guy so quickly.

This church has an interesting history too. It was one of if not the first black church. It has had other violent acts committed there back in the early to mid 1800's if I'm not mistaken.

In reply to racerdave600:

Oldest A.M.E. church in the South.

SVreX wrote: In reply to racerdave600: Oldest A.M.E. church in the South.

I knew it was something like that. I went to Charleston with a friend that knows a lot of history about the area, and we looked at that church when I was there.

Cone_Junkie wrote:

SVreX wrote: The pastor, Rev Clementa Pickney was one of the victims. He was a SC State Senator. Heartbreaking.

All 9 of the victims were human. Heartbreaking

And that we can agree upon, nicely said.

If there is one thing I know about Charleston... They will use their strong faith community to heal. That place has strong, deep communities. They will use each other to find their way like they have done before.

The shooter was clearly a disturbed individual. "He just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/19/us-usa-shooting-south-carolina-idUSKBN0OY06A20150619

Hmmm, if there isn't a warrant issued for the degenerate's father, the DA will have dropped the ball.....

Apparently some of his friends know about this planned attack

http://abcnews.go.com/US/friend-accused-sc-shooter-claims-wanted-start-race/story?id=31874063&from=related

http://abcnews.go.com/US/charleston-shooting-closer-alleged-gunman-dylann-roof/story?id=31865375

yamaha wrote: Hmmm, if there isn't a warrant issued for the degenerate's father, the DA will have dropped the ball.....

On what grounds would the warrant be issued?

Toyman01 wrote:

yamaha wrote: Hmmm, if there isn't a warrant issued for the degenerate's father, the DA will have dropped the ball.....

On what grounds would the warrant be issued?

Perp was on bail facing a felony drug charge, that makes it unlawful to be sold or given a firearm, which is precisely what the father did during that time. Failure to prosecute on the laws already in place(this is up to 10yrs iirc) is on the DA/Prosecutor.

yamaha wrote:

Toyman01 wrote:

yamaha wrote: Hmmm, if there isn't a warrant issued for the degenerate's father, the DA will have dropped the ball.....

On what grounds would the warrant be issued?

Perp was on bail facing a felony drug charge, that makes it unlawful to be sold or given a firearm, which is precisely what the father did during that time. Failure to prosecute on the laws already in place(this is up to 10yrs iirc) is on the DA/Prosecutor.

This is assuming the gift was after the charges. I haven't heard either way, and I'm not going to assume anything.

Edit: Charged is also not = to convicted.

In reply to yamaha:

The DA also needs to make sure that the perp gets a citation for parking in a handicap spot (as shown in the surveillance photos). Reason being is that it wouldn't be the first time someone has paid a parking violation, thus pleading no contest and admitting their location, then on felony charges claimed to not have been at the location. I had several felony drug cases and a double homicide case in 2002 where this tactic proved to make a huge difference for the DA once in the court room.

I don't think that would be the case in this situation, but you have to have all of your bases covered.

Jon Stewart's monologue on this event last night was sobering, and spot on:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/kb2h42/charleston-church-shooting

The newest reports are claiming that he bought the gun with birthday money. I am pretty sure his family isn't to blame based on that.

Strike_Zero wrote: Apparently some of his friends know about this planned attack http://abcnews.go.com/US/friend-accused-sc-shooter-claims-wanted-start-race/story?id=31874063&from=related http://abcnews.go.com/US/charleston-shooting-closer-alleged-gunman-dylann-roof/story?id=31865375

It'll be interesting to see if these guys face any legal consequences for being privy to a boilerplate backwoods militiaman rant.

http://www.live5news.com/story/29360730/charleston-church-shooting-suspect-confessed-wanted-to-start-race-war

It is times like these that I wish our justice system was more like singapore's. You screw up. We execute you in 30 days no appeal after appeal. You mess up in singapore and justice is swift. No messing around.

tuna55 wrote: The newest reports are claim I that he bought the gun with birthday money. I am pretty sure his family isn't to blame based on that.

I stand corrected then, was operating under faulty reporting.

yamaha wrote:

tuna55 wrote: The newest reports are claim I that he bought the gun with birthday money. I am pretty sure his family isn't to blame based on that.

I stand corrected then, was operating under faulty reporting.

That family is still whacked out. His uncle just said, he'd "Push the button" to kill his nephew if found guilty.

I'm still in a bit of a shock. He is a local boy; graduated from a high school about 30 minutes from where I live now (I've run at autocrosses in their parking lot) and was barred from the mall that my daughter was working at till several months ago. I'm familiar with Charleston after 20 years there and agree it's a very tight knit religious community, I just never thought something this horrible would happen there. It boggles the mind.

CNN is also reporting 'law enforcement sources' as saying yes he bought the gun himself at a gun shop in Charleston and it appears that at the time it was perfectly legal, since he had not been convicted of a felony even though he was to be tried for one.

He also appears to have researched and singled out this one church. Why? Damn, it's mind boggling and just plain sick. The part about him wanting to touch off a race war: Charles Manson said the same thing back in the late 1960's. Scary to think people like that are still walking around out there, I'd hoped they were gone.

In reply to Curmudgeon:

Perhaps it is different in some places, but a pending criminal case should have thrown a few red flags at the atf.

FWIW, it is question 11b on the Form 4473 that should have disqualified him from the purchase.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: http://www.live5news.com/story/29360730/charleston-church-shooting-suspect-confessed-wanted-to-start-race-war It is times like these that I wish our justice system was more like singapore's. You screw up. We execute you in 30 days no appeal after appeal. You mess up in singapore and justice is swift. No messing around.

With incredible grace, the victims families offer a rather significant counterpoint to your fury by forgiving the shooter- http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/

I heard some of them on NPR yesterday. Sad, but very powerful. Where the shooter wanted to start a race war, the families diffused that rather bluntly.

yamaha wrote: In reply to Curmudgeon: Perhaps it is different in some places, but a pending criminal case should have thrown a few red flags at the atf. FWIW, it is question 11b on the Form 4473 that should have disqualified him from the purchase.

Correct- assuming he answered honestly. If he didn't and a records check didn't show otherwise...

alfadriver wrote:

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: http://www.live5news.com/story/29360730/charleston-church-shooting-suspect-confessed-wanted-to-start-race-war It is times like these that I wish our justice system was more like singapore's. You screw up. We execute you in 30 days no appeal after appeal. You mess up in singapore and justice is swift. No messing around.

With incredible grace, the victims families offer a rather significant counterpoint to your fury by forgiving the shooter- http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-main/ I heard some of them on NPR yesterday. Sad, but very powerful. Where the shooter wanted to start a race war, the families diffused that rather bluntly.

And that is one of the things that makes Charleston different from a lot of cities.

I stopped in a KFC for lunch Thrusday. There were about 12 of us in there discussing the shooting. Even though it was a mixed race and age group, there was not one raised voice, not one angry comment. Just sorrow for what had happened and an outpouring of support for the entire community.

Sometimes I hate this town, but in a lot of ways it doesn't get much better. I just hope the media and Sharpton and his ilk stay the hell out of it.

In reply to Toyman01:

I have to be honest- I actually expected this forgiveness. Not sure why, but for some reason, the fact that it was a very historic church, and a bible study event at that- it seemed very much that the love side of Christianity would shine over the hate.

A lot of people have taken notice of that, too.

It's not that they want the guy to go free, but instead of dwelling on the hate, well...

There's a lot of support for you guys a long way away, too.