Now that she is up, it's time to look at the damage. This is what happens when you lie on a rock for 20 months.
Now that she is up, it's time to look at the damage. This is what happens when you lie on a rock for 20 months.
yea, not exactly fixable.
That'll buff out.
In reply to mad_machine:
Hey, we can still torpedo that SOB.......anyone want to help steal the uboat from the Chicago museum of science and industry?
alfadriver wrote: In reply to Mezzanine: It's not worth that much. But getting it off the island and cleaning up the mess is. The cost is probably being shared by the Italian govenment and Carnival. It kind of sucks for them that cleaning up this mess is more than making a new ship to replace it.
You don't think Carnival had insurance to at least partially cover this kind of accident?
I went to the Satellite view of the island and can't believe how close to the shore it is. The captian would have had to make one hell of a turn to not plow right into the other side of the harbor. It's funny that the ship looks in the satellite view like a separate island near the island.
I like how some official dudes said "at this time we believe no environmental damage has occurred."
uh ...what?
It's been sitting on a reef ferchris'ssake.
yes, the billion was just to get her out of an environmentally sensitive area before she broke up. Believe it or not, it does not take long for a ship to break up once sunk. Water gets into the welds and rust works it's magic and soon you are left with a rotting hulk that is busy spilling it's poisons into the water.
Then, if you are lucky, she will slide down that slope and disappear beneath the waves.. or you get left with something like this:
This is the wreck of the Farsund, it went aground off Flinders Island in Tasmania 100 years ago. While her 4 masts have toppled into the water and most of her hull has disintergrated, what is left is still quite sound and not going anywhere
I see. They were basically saying the environmental damage from any spillage of waste water or oil has been minimal.
bravenrace wrote:alfadriver wrote: In reply to Mezzanine: It's not worth that much. But getting it off the island and cleaning up the mess is. The cost is probably being shared by the Italian govenment and Carnival. It kind of sucks for them that cleaning up this mess is more than making a new ship to replace it.You don't think Carnival had insurance to at least partially cover this kind of accident?
Probably, but I bet they are now paying so much for insurance that it may be worth paying the bill instead.
They said the ship weighs 115,000 tons. Not knowing if that's long, metric, Imperial, etc or if that's hull weight or with all the glass, etc...
115K x 2K x $0.35 (current scrap price of Hot Roll steel) = $80,500,00.
Yeah, just $80 million. If they are really paying a Billion to clean that it up it would be very surprising.
Wild photos, curious to see inside. Read somewhere that the salvage/clean up was 800 million and footed by the insurance co and Carnival.
Figure I saw was $1.2 Billion for clean up and removal, paid for by insurance.
The nearly $800 million effort is the largest maritime salvage operation ever, according to Costa Crochiere and its partners, Florida-based Titan Salvage and the Italian marine contractor Micoperi.
Damn. They're losing money on that one, for sure.
Javelin wrote: Yeah, just $80 million. If they are really paying a Billion to clean that it up it would be very surprising.
Why?
The value isn't in the metal, it's in getting off the crash site.
Considering the complexity of the salvage, the cost is pretty reasonable.
In reply to alfadriver:
Yeah, they HAD to get that ship out of there. It didn't have anything to do with the scrap value, other than whatever it is worth offsets the cost by that amount.
alfadriver wrote:Javelin wrote: Yeah, just $80 million. If they are really paying a Billion to clean that it up it would be very surprising.Why? The value isn't in the metal, it's in getting off the crash site. Considering the complexity of the salvage, the cost is pretty reasonable.
I completely disagree. Imperial Oils/Exxon's KEARL oilsands site is worth $16 billion dollars. That is basically 10,000 employees working for the greater part of 5 years.
No way in hell this is anywhere close to a billion dollars. Somebody is raking in mad cash. This is only my opinion, but that is absurd for the amount of work actually required to be done.
HiTempguy wrote:alfadriver wrote:I completely disagree. Imperial Oils/Exxon's KEARL oilsands site is worth $16 billion dollars. That is basically 10,000 employees working for the greater part of 5 years. No way in hell this is anywhere close to a billion dollars. Somebody is raking in mad cash. This is only my opinion, but that is absurd for the amount of work actually required to be done.Javelin wrote: Yeah, just $80 million. If they are really paying a Billion to clean that it up it would be very surprising.Why? The value isn't in the metal, it's in getting off the crash site. Considering the complexity of the salvage, the cost is pretty reasonable.
It's not just the man hours. They have to amortize the cost of a lot of very, very, (let me add another couple of very's there) expensive equipment that only gets used a few times a decade at most.
Yes I'm sure (in fact I hope) people are makeing a good profit on this, but I don't think anyone is throwing hundreds of millions right off the top in their retirement next egg.
I realize this ranks me up there would being a sick pup... but I would have -loved- to have been on the cruise. Talk about the adventure of a lifetime.
I would be the guy being interviewed who raved about certain members of the crew rather than whining about how my vacation was ruined.
HiTempguy wrote:alfadriver wrote:I completely disagree. Imperial Oils/Exxon's KEARL oilsands site is worth $16 billion dollars. That is basically 10,000 employees working for the greater part of 5 years. No way in hell this is anywhere close to a billion dollars. Somebody is raking in mad cash. This is only my opinion, but that is absurd for the amount of work actually required to be done.Javelin wrote: Yeah, just $80 million. If they are really paying a Billion to clean that it up it would be very surprising.Why? The value isn't in the metal, it's in getting off the crash site. Considering the complexity of the salvage, the cost is pretty reasonable.
Ok, but the oil sands site is also above water. and the goal isn't to take a 100,000 ton object off of the rocks in a single piece, when it's very torn up and hooked into the rocks, then get that single object to float, with massive amounts of damage, and transport it to a salvage site, and then dispose of it.
all that, with out making an environmental hazard at all. Not minimize it, but to not have it at all (outside of the original crash).
The job looks easy, but from what I can see, it's very far from it.
In reply to Adrian_Thompson:
I'm with you on this one......the salvage rigs aren't free, probably even custom made for this application. Did the US government ever release how much the salvage operation cost at Pearl Harbour?
Javelin wrote:The nearly $800 million effort is the largest maritime salvage operation ever, according to Costa Crochiere and its partners, Florida-based Titan Salvage and the Italian marine contractor Micoperi.Damn. They're losing money on that one, for sure.
The Azorian cost $800M in 1974. Adjusted, that's $3.7B.
In reply to DILYSI Dave:
I'm just quoting the BBC news feed. I also don't think it's anywhere near the most expensive single-ship maritime recovery (Agreed with you, Hughes Glomar and K-129 is probably the highest).
Project Azorian is my TIL (today i learned).
Javelin wrote: In reply to DILYSI Dave: I'm just quoting the BBC news feed. I also don't think it's anywhere near the most expensive single-ship maritime recovery (Agreed with you, Hughes Glomar and K-129 is probably the highest).
I'm pretty sure this will still be the largest- the Costa Concordia is bigger than the Oklahoma was- 120m longer, 5m wider, much higher, and 5x the gross tonnage (which isn't the actual weight- some odd calculation). Plus a battleship is much more robustly built, so it would need fewer areas to support when righting.
Even seeing a documentary of the attempted K129 slavage, I really can't imagine how hard it would be to recover a sub at the bottom of the sea. The idea of that was very outrageous.
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