I heard she's a toyota employee.
I heard she's a toyota employee.
If I hadn't seen this with my own two eyes, my Chrysler transmission instructor had rigged up a scantool to monitor the defaulted lever position and vehicle speed. One of the students "driving" took this poor Grand Cherokee to 45mph and put the shifter into "R". Guess what happened next? If you say, broke trans, you would be wrong until you were under 8mph, IIRC, then it would be junk. It actually just neutrals out until the vehicle speed gets into the proper criteria to perform the given gear. Gotta love electronics! 
Ranger50 wrote: It actually just neutrals out until the vehicle speed gets into the proper criteria to perform the given gear. Gotta love electronics!
So, in reference to my previous post, she actually had 35 minutes to bump the lever forward her choice of either 1 or 2 notches. Either one would have resulted in cutting power to the drive wheels.
Or just push on the damn brake pedal. Which is not hobbled by any interlocks or bothered by the key/button/whatever. Want to stop the car? BRAKES.
I hope they charged her with reckless endangerment as well as gave her a good alcohol and drug test.
None of the cops on the phone thought to tell her to turn off the car or drop it into neutral either?
Keith wrote: Or just push on the damn brake pedal. Which is not hobbled by any interlocks or bothered by the key/button/whatever. Want to stop the car? BRAKES.
I thought that tests had shown that at WOT it was typically possible to use up all the available vacuum boost without stopping the car. Now, that should not be the same as having a catastrophic hydraulic failure, but still, it might make it hard to stop.
yamaha wrote:oldtin wrote: Hmmm, should I call 911 next time I'm late - see if I can get an escort if I say the accelerator is stuck.Nah, in illinois they would pit manuver you into oncoming traffic.......that'd stop itI kinda like my cars having keys instead of a button
I wonder what the New York cops would have done to her?
novaderrik wrote: looks like it causes the trans to upshift on that particular model...
only if you've pulled the lever to the left ... if you've left it in D, then yeah push it forward 1 notch ......
Duke wrote:Keith wrote: Or just push on the damn brake pedal. Which is not hobbled by any interlocks or bothered by the key/button/whatever. Want to stop the car? BRAKES.I thought that tests had shown that at WOT it was typically possible to use up all the available vacuum boost without stopping the car. Now, that should not be the same as having a catastrophic hydraulic failure, but still, it might make it hard to stop.
Yes, I can see that's possible - although it's also why there's a check valve in the booster line. Should you be trying to put the brake pedal through the firewall? Yes. Seems to me this is a more heroic solution than 100 mph through a construction zone.
This means all her fines should be doubled, of course.
Keith wrote: Or just push on the damn brake pedal. Which is not hobbled by any interlocks or bothered by the key/button/whatever. Want to stop the car? BRAKES.
Hate to tell you, but Mercedes has electronic brakes, called Sensotronic. It has a separate small battery which is a reserve in case the cables etc to the big 'un get cut. I saw lots of people who, when they discovered that 'battery' light didn't mean the car would not start, said the hell with it and just drove it with the light on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensotronic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake-by-wire
Okay, so Mercedes had some. We can get all Luddite here (I've always had more problems with hydraulic fluid leaks than electron leaks), but it's not really important. Kias don't have electric brakes.
Duke wrote:Keith wrote: Or just push on the damn brake pedal. Which is not hobbled by any interlocks or bothered by the key/button/whatever. Want to stop the car? BRAKES.I thought that tests had shown that at WOT it was typically possible to use up all the available vacuum boost without stopping the car. Now, that should not be the same as having a catastrophic hydraulic failure, but still, it might make it hard to stop.
With vacuum assist brakes this is plausable. One of my previous work trucks was severely under powered, and WOT to on the brakes happened often, and power assist had noticable lag.
Not an excuse for this woman not putting it in to N though.
Appleseed wrote: None of the cops on the phone thought to tell her to turn off the car or drop it into neutral either?
She would have sued them for any damage that occurred (blown engine/trans/brakes) when Kia refused to cover it under warranty. Because they TOLD her to do it.
In the video you can see where the 911 dispatcher told her to put it in neutral and she stated she couldn't.
Didn't this car have a big add campaign around the push to start as a huge selling feature?
I know if left foot breaking too much on the throttle you can run out of boost and have a hard time with the breaks. I have done that in the rally car before.
It will be interesting to see what the procedure is for this situation, we will have all kinds of 'experts' and special new features about it. I am almost temped to go rent one of these things and try for myself (if they haven't already all been pulled from service)
Here is a 7:11 video from Kia on how to work the start button.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XprsMeERyEA
Maybe she should have thrown the 'smart key' out the window.
Here is the add, highlights push to start 1st thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_M-seVFxy4
The video says that the engine can be shut off with the shifter in D by either holding the button down for more than 2 seconds or pressing it 3 times in 3 seconds. Guess she never read her owners' manual (surprise, surprise).
push button starters aren't all that bad .... I've had two
a. a '64 E type... push button / with an on/off key
b. a '62 Mk X sedan... push button / with an on/off key
'course that was a bit before the computer controlled cars came along
Right, but the difference is that the push button operates only the starter. That's how the Jensenator (and the Abomination before it) is done. The ignition switch is completely separate and is a true 'kill' switch, unlike these things. The push button in these cars is designed to make the average goob feel like a race driver, so it's another sales gimmick like having 72 cupholders. It also depends way too much on 'bus' communication, along with a radio signal from a 'smart' key.
Even if you loose the boost on your brakes, you're going 100mph and you're chock full of adrenaline, think how hard can you push on that pedal when you're all hyped up.
I read somewhere or other that if the passengers in a given crash have all gone to their greater reward, the police investigators first check shoe soles. Whoever was driving will generally have stood on the brakes like hell just before the crash, and the imprint of the brake pedal in the shoe sole will tell them who was driving.
article wrote: even in the state of Iowa
This is yet another part that puzzles me=] lmao.
+1 on really disliking all this newfangled technology stuff. and I'm only 23!
I missed out on a free vq35 the other day because the car was an automatic. it hydrolocked and there was no way to loosen the torque converter bolts all the way round without cutting a hole in the block=/
and another +1 for some things just need mechanical linkages.
I was actually thinking about the downsides of integrated parking brakes yesterday...
I wish this would happen to me. Even in a KIA
Either one of these things is true:
1. The lady driving was an idiot. The people who answered the 911 call were idiots. The cops ahead and behind her are idiots. The people reporting on the story are idiots. The general population are idiots.
2. There is more to the story and this lady wanted to see how fast a Kia can go.
T.J. wrote: Either one of these things is true: 1. The lady driving was an idiot. The people who answered the 911 call were idiots. The cops ahead and behind her are idiots. The people reporting on the story are idiots. The general population are idiots. 2. There is more to the story and this lady wanted to see how fast a Kia can go.
I'm going to optimistically vote for number 2 =]
Ranger50 wrote: If I hadn't seen this with my own two eyes, my Chrysler transmission instructor had rigged up a scantool to monitor the defaulted lever position and vehicle speed. One of the students "driving" took this poor Grand Cherokee to 45mph and put the shifter into "R". Guess what happened next? If you say, broke trans, you would be wrong until you were under 8mph, IIRC, then it would be junk. It actually just neutrals out until the vehicle speed gets into the proper criteria to perform the given gear. Gotta love electronics!
a lot of transmissions had this feature as far back as the 60's, and it was all done with hydraulics- i think the Mopar automatic transmissions of the 60's wouldn't allow you to drop it into "R for Race" at speeds above about 5mph or so.. or maybe it was Fords.. i know for sure that at least the GM TH350 didn't have this feature, because one of my cousin's favorite hobbies was trying to find creative ways to break his cars and he couldn't kill the TH350's in either his 71 Chevelle or 73 Monte Carlo by throwing it in reverse at 60mph.. the wheels would lock up and the car would slide all over the place, but nothing ever broke on those cars because of that..
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