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kazoospec
kazoospec Reader
8/30/12 2:09 p.m.

Having spent a fair amount of time recently on Craigslist trying to buy a winter-beater, it's become apparent that most seller's clearly have no idea what they are doing. In the interest of community service, it seems appropriate for the wise minds of GRM (Most of whom have bought and sold more cars than the average car dealership) to give some instruction to the poor huddled masses peddling their wares in the automotive wasteland known as "Craigslist". Here are my two entries, feel free to add your own:

  1. Unless you live in Alaska and its January, there is no excuse for taking and posting pictures of your car taken in the dead of night. I don't care if you're selling a Hemi Cuda for pocket lint and a bubble gum wrapper, if you take pictures of it in the dark I assume its a piece of crap and I'm NOT coming to look at it.

  2. "Minor issues" are things like broken cup holders. "Doesn't shift into reverse", "Currently running on three cilinders (sic)", "Salvaged from a forest fire" are not "Minor issues". Labeling that as such just makes you look like a crook or an idiot, or both.

Again, please feel free to contribute here.

93EXCivic
93EXCivic UltimaDork
8/30/12 2:17 p.m.

Posting political pictures in your Craigslist ad for a car will make me want to punch you in the kidney. I flag every ad I see like that.

bravenrace
bravenrace PowerDork
8/30/12 2:28 p.m.
  • Flagging posts seems to do little or no good.
pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
8/30/12 2:31 p.m.

"needs headgasket" or any other major repair posted by a person with no mechanical knowledge who has not taken it to a repair shop is my biggest red flag. Really? How do you know that? You installed the Pep Boys Neon Wiper Arms incorrectly, but now you are an ASE-Certified Mechanic? Or are you psychic? Did the car tell you that telepathically?

And since all it needs is a headgasket, feel free to ask full KBB!

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/30/12 2:31 p.m.

Use recent pics of the car, if the rust hole that is finger-sized in the pic is almost big enough to fit my foot through IRL I will spot it.

Don't say it's in good condition and then fail to mention things like the handbrake not being present and the shocks each being a single deformed mass of rust.

kazoospec
kazoospec Reader
8/30/12 2:35 p.m.

Ok, I know I said I was only posting two, but I've gotta include this:

  1. Cars have brakes. B-R-A-K-E-S. When you say you "dun fix'd the breaks", I assume you and your cousin Cooter drank lots of beer, went to Autozone, grabbed something from the discount bin, installed it upside-down and backwards, didn't bother to bleed it and I'll now be counting on it to save my family from fiery death. No thank you.
ClemSparks
ClemSparks PowerDork
8/30/12 2:47 p.m.

I actually have a half-written handbook/story on this...

a rough draft with some of my points:

“A/C works, just needs to be charged.” Actually…no. If cold air is not coming out of your vents, then the A/C does NOT work. This is the basic definition of air conditioning, and is commonly accepted by society in general.

“No Scammers.” Seriously? Do you think these “scammers” do any of the following?
• READ ads in the first place
• Identify themselves as scammers (I’d like to see that one on a resume)
• Give a hoot whether or not you wish for them to contact you
• Exist as real people (as opposed to being a “bot” program that automatically combs ads for email information)

I’d like to, just one time, email someone and take exception to their “no scammers” rule. It could go something like: Hello, I hope you’ll forgive me contacting you even though I am a scammer. I don’t wish to scam you on this particular ad, however, as I am genuinely interested in your ’84 Chevrolet Cavalier with a no title and working a/c (just needs recharged) for $1,800. If I could get more information from you on this car, I would appreciate it. I’ll kindly save the scam for another time (after all, you did clearly point out that you were not interested in any scams).

“It’s a bargain because all the parts are worth more than this.” Hello there Mr. Economics! If you want to dismantle it and sell the parts individually (and possibly find out that in fact the parts are NOT worth more than you are asking)…then you’re welcome to do it. I, on the other hand, don’t think it’s worth that much...as it sits...still rusted together.

“No title, but I’m sure you can apply for a lost title.” Actually, in our state…no you can’t. Your car is worth less than scrap value because for anyone to sell the car for scrap, they are going to have to spend several hours and a pallet full of Sawzall blades taking it down into small enough chunks to not be considered a “vehicle” anymore.

“Serious Inquiries/Offers Only.” See “no scammers” above. I want to add a line to my ads that says something along the lines of “While I generally tolerate only the most serious of responses…depending on my mood, I may also entertain ludicrous, whimsical, or potentially irresponsible inquiries.”

An example would be the ad for a Dump Truck for sale that requests “Serious Buyers Only.” Really, now…is there ANY other kind of dump truck buyer? I can only imagine the scenario running through this seller’s head as he imagines two guys sitting around eating cheetos while sitting on a bean bag chairs and surfing craigslist. “Dude…let’s go test drive this dump truck that’s for sale!” “Dude…we don’t need a dumptruck.” “Dude. I KNOW…but the seller doesn’t know that we don’t need a dumptruck!”

A separate pet peeve: It seems people who are in need of only “serious” inquiries generally lack “serious” grammar and spelling skills.

“Mechanic Owned.” I’m pretty sure this is inserted into ads to make the potential buyer feel better about the care the car has received throughout its life with the current owner. However, the feeling it actually instills is that the car has been owned by someone who is busy fixing other peoples’ cars to MAKE money and will put off maintenance on his own car until it breaks…because when it does break he can fix it just as easy as he can maintain it…and it isn’t broke yet.

A “Mechanic Owned” Chevy tracker with a blown engine…what could possibly go wrong with that purchase?!

“Rare.” To tell me a car is rare is anything but good. First off…if this is a rare car that is actually worth something because of its rarity...and I’m a serious buyer…I probably already know that it is rare and resent you for telling me that it is.

On the other hand…it’s entirely possible that the vehicle isn’t rare at all…and you’re just telling me that because it’s OLD and therefore there are only as many of them on the road these days as there are any other car from that era. For instance, a Chevrolet Truck…is NOT RARE. It really matters not what year it is, they made millions of the things.

And then there’s the third possibility that comes to mind: Your car is rare because nobody EVER wanted it. It was so lousy, or the goofy combination of features/options so obscure, that it was just never actually produced in any appreciable quantity. An [insert example here] might be rare…but good luck finding someone to think that it is “good rare.”

As it happens, a ’74 Porsche 914 languishing in a field is not “rare.” It is quite common (I'll go out on a limb and say that possibly MOST of them will be found in this condition). And no, it’s not worth $1,200 with missing glass, petri dish interior, all of the factory-installed rust and the “factory volkswagen engine.”

Again with the pet peeve: People with “rare” cars can also have “rare” grammar and spelling skills. Not “good rare” for the same reasons discussed above.

“Less than Blue Book value!” Blue book is a joke. Besides that...Your car is not in “good” condition according to their guidelines. Blue book doesn’t list a value for a car with a mismatched fender, cigarette burns, and bald tires…it just doesn’t.

That's all for now,
Clem

petegossett
petegossett GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
8/30/12 2:55 p.m.

Thank you Clem.

ClemSparks
ClemSparks PowerDork
8/30/12 3:03 p.m.

All of my examples above were derived from real ads...but I know I don't need to prove that to anyone who's spent more than an hour on Craigslist. They're all-too-common.

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
8/30/12 3:24 p.m.
  • If you post keywords of every car and model name sold in the United States, I will flag your ad, not respond to it.

  • Seriously, pictures are free on Craigslist. Take some. If you don't know how to take a digital picture and upload it to the internet, ask your grandkids to help you.

  • If you really don't want people to waste your time, post LOTS of information in your ad so that they don't have to email or call with basic questions like how many miles are on the car, what transmission it has, etc.

  • Spelling and grammar matter. You are using the written word to try and convey information to someone you want to give you thousands of dollars. Put a little effort into it.

  • Answer your damn emails!

  • When you sell your car, PULL YOUR BERKELYING AD!

The0retical
The0retical Reader
8/30/12 3:41 p.m.
Tom_Spangler wrote: - If you post keywords of every car and model name sold in the United States, I will flag your ad, not respond to it.

Out in the area where I generally search for cars this a common practice 1pt white text no less. It also happens to be why I don't bother to go to the craigslist main site anymore.

(flounder) Since Craigslist has declared war on 3rd party websites you'd think that they would care about improving the user experience rather than tolerate crap like that and literally drive users away. (/flounder)

ddavidv
ddavidv PowerDork
8/30/12 3:43 p.m.

My personal pet peeve, usually in motorcycle ads, is "fast".

No E36 M3 it's fast. That's why I'm looking for that type bike/car and not a Suzuki Aveo. If you have to tell me it's fast, then as a buyer I'm probably a Darwin award candidate who will quickly kill himself in some kind of fiery wreck with the thing. So you should feel guilty about promoting it's "fast"ness. Or maybe saying it's "fast" is actually some sort of warning to the stupid?

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltraDork
8/30/12 3:45 p.m.

My biggest pet peeve is some 55 Chevy out there, that actually is decent in the pictures, and the DA owner posts up something like "I am willing to trade for "X" worth AT LEAST $XX,XXX plus whatever to make $YY,YYY, but will sell for $ZZ,ZZZ." And the "cash" price is LESS then the trade plus cash.

Really? I mean really. Your hooptie isn't worth $ZZ,ZZZ to begin with, so what makes me want to give you my whatever in trade plus cash for more then your original price?

ransom
ransom GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/30/12 3:53 p.m.
Tom_Spangler wrote: - If you post keywords of every car and model name sold in the United States, I will flag your ad, not respond to it.

This one kills me.

"Yeah, I know you were searching for an E12 5-series, but I figured that if you just saw my XJ woods rig you'd change your mind and buy it instead."

(really violent vitriol deleted...)

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltraDork
8/30/12 3:53 p.m.

Additionally, salvage titled vehicles for selling at near retail prices and they look like E36 M3.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltraDork
8/30/12 3:58 p.m.
Tom_Spangler wrote: - Spelling and grammar matter. You are using the written word to try and convey information to someone you want to give you thousands of dollars. Put a little effort into it.

Speaking of which.... I just saw this ad:

I Have a 2002 3.8 Monte Carlo For Sale, Its Maroon With Tan Leather Interior, Powered Seats, Automatic, This Car Is Driven Daily To Work, Has Been Tooken To Ohio & Tennessee This Summer Also, Car Needs Roateries, & A Tune Up, "SparkPlugs", Body Is In Good Condition, Could Need A Paint Job. 3500.00 Or Trade For A 4WD Truck.

Oh boy.....

RossD
RossD UltraDork
8/30/12 4:00 p.m.

You've already posted your dead grandparents crap under the Antiques section, you don't have to label it as old, vintage or antique in the ad's title. We know that already, that's why we are looking at the Antiques section; we are looking for your old E36 M3. You dolt.

The guy who will edit his ad to say that his car has been sold but will not delete the actual ad, should be dragged out into the street and be beat to death with tire irons.

Strizzo
Strizzo UberDork
8/30/12 4:01 p.m.
ClemSparks wrote: A “Mechanic Owned” Chevy tracker with a blown engine…what could possibly go wrong with that purchase?!

you sure it doesn't "just need a head gasket?"

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltraDork
8/30/12 4:02 p.m.

Oh and speaking of pictures, how about one either kinda close to the vehicle you are trying to sell or a picture bigger the 50x50 pixels.....

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
8/30/12 4:03 p.m.

When posting use English, not text-speak. If you write like a illiterate moron, I'm going to assume your car hasn't been taken care of, and that you will be a pain in the ass to deal with.

If you can't write a complete sentence, ask your Mom, or Dad or older brother to help. Back in the "old days" people used to communicate using easy to understand, written language. These are the people who now have jobs and the money to buy your TYTE VTEC YO!

Strizzo
Strizzo UberDork
8/30/12 4:03 p.m.

had to go find and copy/pasta the text from this ad since it is lacking for logic so badly... its for a boat but CL stupid doesn't stop at the cars section.

According to the shop it needs a control module now....i bought my boat 2 years ago for 4k and last year one of the engines went out so i spent 3k on a new one i have receipt new batteries the whole tune up Im just tired of spending money on it 5000 obo will also consider trading for something of equal value call or text
Ranger50
Ranger50 UltraDork
8/30/12 4:07 p.m.

In reply to Strizzo:

Logic AND punctuation....

RossD
RossD UltraDork
8/30/12 4:10 p.m.
Hillbilly from my hometown said: 6 by 10 foot inclosed trailer - $1000 (kaukauna) Great trailer for hauling band geer . no leeks , dry , and installated . new tiers , and spair . great shape no rust . CALL CRAIG 920 xxx xxxx , NO EMAILS ...WILL TAKE TRAIDS ,, LOOKING FOR AMPS, 4000 WATTS OR BETTER , QSC,CROWN,CREST,

I'm guessing, Craig is looking for such a high wattage amplifier so he can open it up and electrocute himself so the rest of the human race doesn't have to put up with his stupidity. Really Craig! No leeks? But I'm hungry, Craig.

slantvaliant
slantvaliant SuperDork
8/30/12 4:33 p.m.

Hint: The model of the car is almost always on a badge somewhere on the car, spelled correctly. If not, refer to the title.

I don't care how often you fill it up. If you're going to talk about how efficient it is, do the math and post the numbers in MPG.

Put a price on it. I search by price, and those without prices are filtered out.

itsarebuild
itsarebuild GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
8/30/12 4:37 p.m.

My personal favorite is "low price because it doen't run, but just needs a whatchamaggiger installed. New whachamagiggers go for $30 on eBay"

Really? So how about you go buy that whachamagiggers, install it. And raise your price by $30 so I can at least hear it run and see it drive. After all, it is a car!

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