GROUNDHOGS!!!!

mad_machine wrote: bow could be messy... But if you are going that route.. crossbow?

Crossbows are surprisingly noisy.

Otto Maddox wrote: Has anybody asked why they need to be killed? What kind of damage do they cause?

They wreck your lawn and eat your garden. The wrecking of the lawn is more serious than you think. The tunnels they dig can and do cave in when you step on them. I don't want to take a kid to the hospital with a broken leg because they were running in the yard they a tunnel gave in.
So, they must go.

Otto Maddox wrote: Has anybody asked why they need to be killed? What kind of damage do they cause?

Imagine your yard full of gophers the size of Jack Russells.

kazoospec wrote:

Otto Maddox wrote: Has anybody asked why they need to be killed? What kind of damage do they cause?

Imagine your yard full of gophers the size of Jack Russells.

Heh. As if a yard full of actual Jack Russels would be better. My parents have three. man those things can dig.

I picked up a Beeman RF1 I think. It's a .177 (wanted a .22) but it's 1000 fps. For $100, I'll give it a try. Time to drop some lettuce in the yard and sight the scope in

DrBoost wrote:

Otto Maddox wrote: Has anybody asked why they need to be killed? What kind of damage do they cause?

They wreck your lawn and eat your garden. The wrecking of the lawn is more serious than you think. The tunnels they dig can and do cave in when you step on them. I don't want to take a kid to the hospital with a broken leg because they were running in the yard they a tunnel gave in. So, they must go.

Destruction of foundations, collapsing garage floors or driveways are the reasons for their demise. They swim and climb trees very well.

I had a groundhog problem at a former shop that I had which was in the country. Took care of it with a 22 cal, but found it most effective if you shot them through an eye or ear.

Otto Maddox wrote: Has anybody asked why they need to be killed?

Because they're food and should be eaten.

Fox Urine , not like O'reilly or Beck but plain old fox urine .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocoOqgVwkTE

Karl La Follette wrote: Fox Urine , not like O'reilly or Beck but plain old fox urine .

Why the flounder?

A current pic of Rachel Maddow would have worked just as well for repellant.

foxtrapper wrote:

Otto Maddox wrote: Has anybody asked why they need to be killed?

Because they're food and should be eaten.

Some recipes for sylvan charles

http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-0,woodchuck,FF.html

http://www.outdoor-michigan.com/Recipes/woodchuck_recipes.htm

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Surprisingly there are many recipes for Woodchuck (A.K.A. Ground Hog, Whistle Pigs, Pasture Pigs, etc.). Woodchucks are fatty, however it is claimed the fat does not have a bad taste but is still is generally removed. The meat is dark with a mild flavor and will work in any squirrel or rabbit recipe. Woodchucks have scent glands in the small of the back and on the inside of the forelegs which must be removed. If the Woodchuck is old (look how worn teeth and claws are,) it should be parboiled or soaked before cooking, some cooks always soak woodchucks in cold salted water for 6 to 12 hours. The Older Woodchucks will also benefit parboiling in water with a 1/2 teaspoon or more of baking soda.

Oriental Groundhog Recipe By: Hunters Information Service

Amount Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

1 Ground hog

2 quarts Water

¼ cup Salt

½ cup Soy sauce

2 cloves Garlic whole

3 Hot chili peppers whole

¼ Onion

¼ teaspoon Paprika

¼ bunch Parsley whole

4 Beef bouillon cubes

¼ teaspoon Freshly-ground white pepper

1 cup Beef or chicken broth

Teriyaki glaze


 Preheat oven to 325 degrees.     Cut meat into pieces and soak in 1 quart water and salt for 3 hours.   Transfer meat to 1 quart clear water and soak another 4 hours.   Drain and then dry meat.   Place meat in a baking pan with broth, soy sauce, garlic cloves, chili pepper, onion, paprika, parsley, bouillon cubes and white pepper.   Cover and bake for 1 to 1 1/2 hours at 350 degrees .   Baste frequently and brush with teriyaki glaze while cooking.

Waco Groundhog in Sour Cream Recipe By: "Indian Cookin", compiled by Herb Walker, 1977

Amount Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

1 Groundhog, skinned & cleaned

1/2 cup Vinegar

1 tablespoon Salt

2 quarts Water

2 teaspoons Soda

1/2 cup Flour

1 teaspoon Salt

1/2 teaspoon Allspice

1/2 cup Bacon fat

3 small Wild onions

1/2 cup Water

1 cup Sour cream

Skin and clean the groundhog.   Wash and dry and put in an earthen   crock. Cover with water and a half cup of vinegar and 1 T. of salt.   Let stand in a cool place overnight.   In the morning, remove from   brine, wash and pat dry with a damp cloth.   In a large soup kettle   combine 2 qt. of water and 2 T. of soda.   Bring to a boil, lower the   heat and simmer for 15 minutes, removing the scum as it rises to the   surface. Drain and rinse the groundhog meat and cut into serving   pieces. Combinethe flour, salt and allspice and dredge the pieces of   meat in the mixture. Preheat the oven to 325 degrees. Melt the bacon   fat in a heavy iron frying pan until smoking. jBrown meat on all   sides. Transfer the browned meat into a greased 4 qt. casserole.   Arrange sliced onions on top, add water, cover and bake in a   preheated oven for 2 hours or until the meat is tender. Transfer the   meat to a heated platter to keep warm.   Put the casserole on top of   the stove over medium heat and spoon in the sour cream stirring   constantly. Do not let the sauce come to a boil.   Put the meat back   into the casserole and simmer for about 15 minutes.   Delicious served   with creamed dandelion leaves.

WOODCHUCK (GROUNDHOG) STEW

1 woodchuck2 onions, sliced1/2 cup celery, slicedFlourVinegar and waterSalt and pepperCloves Clean woodchuck; remove glands; cut into serving pieces. Soak overnight in a solution of equal parts of water and vinegar with addition of one sliced onion and a little salt. Drain, wash, and wipe. Parboil 20 minutes, drain, and cover with fresh boiling water. Add one sliced onion, celery, a few cloves, and salt and pepper to taste. Cook until tender; thicken gravy with flour. Fried Woodchuck (Groundhog) 1 Woodchuck 1 tb Salt 1 c Flour 4 tb Fat 1/2 ts Salt 1/4 ts Pepper 1. Skin and clean woodchuck and cut into 6 or 7 pieces 2. Put in pot, add salt and enough water to cover and parboil for 1 hour. 3. Remove meat from the broth, and drain. 4. Dredge meat in flour, salt and pepper. 5. Melt fat in heavy fry pan and saute woodchuck until nicely browned. Serves 6 >From Northern Cookbook edited by Eleanor A. Ellis. Information Canada , Ottawa 1973.

Woodchuck Meat Loaf

Yield: 6 Servings Ingredients 1 lb Ground woodchuck meat 1 lb Ground pork 1 Egg; lightly beaten 1 c Milk 1/2 c Dry bread crumbs 1 1/2 ts Salt 1/8 ts Freshly-ground black pepper 1 tb Minced onion Instructions Mix meats completely; add egg, milk, crumbs, seasoning, and onion. Mixwell and put into a greased loaf pan. Bake at 350 degrees for 1 hour. Letset for 5 minutes before slicing.This recipe yields 6 to 8 servings. Recipe Source:THE HUNTER'S GAME COOKBOOK by Jacqueline E. Knight (c) 1978Published by Winchester Press, New York, NY

buy a bullterrier bred for killing vermin they dont stop eating either give a good bully a week to sort it out.

oldsaw wrote:

Karl La Follette wrote: Fox Urine , not like O'reilly or Beck but plain old fox urine .

Why the flounder? A current pic of Rachel Maddow would have worked just as well for repellant.

Because Samantha Fox urine is much funnier than Beck urine. That's why.

Otto Maddox wrote: Has anybody asked why they need to be killed? What kind of damage do they cause?

Lady I used to teach with owned a farm. Land was rather hilly so they had to use tractors with the wide spaced front wheels.

Now imagine hitting an unseen 12" -18" diameter very deep pot(groundhog)hole with one of those. She offered to pay me $2 a groundhog to keep them off the farm. I kept the place cleaned up for 10 years but didn't take any money. It was too much fun and gave me a place to hunt in an area where most farmers kept their land posted.

Reminds me of a similar thread on rimfirecentral.com years ago, except the varmint was an aggressive cat which attacked passersby and scratched their legs. The guys went through all the airgun and silent ammo choices until somebody finally posted: "House cat? Doesn't anybody have a nine iron?"

Sorry. Carry on.

I'm thinking a .22 short would be just about perfect for the problem. No louder than a pellet gun. Pop one, maybe 2, then go inside for a while. Do it in the middle of the day, maybe have a friend out there with an air ratchet putting on or removing tires to cover the sound? Hell, that may work for the .22 LR too. Hahaha!

We have skunks, HUGE raccoons, and armadillo's here where I live. Well, that and rattlesnakes. I've killed them all except for armadillo's. We have one that's destroying my yard, it's about to catch a .22 or .17 HMR in the face soon though.

Fire hose into their hole? If that fails, explosives?

Keith wrote: Because Samantha Fox urine is more appealing than GBeck/Maddow urine. That's why.

FTFY.

But, if anyone can get this guy to stand over a hole, all bets are off.

This is what your looking for This will take down Groundhogs and more,don't ask

http://www.predatorpellets.com/Testimonials.html

Heard a new method on the radio today. Pour copious amounts of used kitty litter down the hole. The more aromatic the better it will work.

better get 'em the first shot or they could return fire

are they vicious at all? I spotted my first one in the wild the other day. It came out from under my deck as I was about to head out to my car.. it moved surprisingly quick

They've got four paws equipped with nice digging claws. They've got wicked sharp set of teeth. As a general rule, you don't want to get into hand to hand combat with one.

But, they don't run that fast, and aren't inclined to chase you far. So you're fine.