aircooled wrote:Apis_Mellifera wrote: ...What I don't understand is why the desire to own a silencer, a FA weapon, or a Ford V8 must be justified to make it OK...I agree, most people don't understand the pure joy of nerve agents. I mean really, this is fun stuff, who is to say I can't have it!
I am pretty sure it is ok to have a gun that shoots nerve gas. Guns shouldn't be regulated in any way.
aircooled wrote:Apis_Mellifera wrote: ...What I don't understand is why the desire to own a silencer, a FA weapon, or a Ford V8 must be justified to make it OK...I agree, most people don't understand the pure joy of nerve agents. I mean really, this is fun stuff, who is to say I can't have it!
That's what Hitler said.
Apis_Mellifera wrote:aircooled wrote:That's what Hitler said.Apis_Mellifera wrote: ...What I don't understand is why the desire to own a silencer, a FA weapon, or a Ford V8 must be justified to make it OK...I agree, most people don't understand the pure joy of nerve agents. I mean really, this is fun stuff, who is to say I can't have it!
Oh come on now! Now you're just getting ridiculous!
Brett_Murphy wrote: The way I see it, that the general populace should be trained in the use of firearms, be allowed to carry one and be prepared to use it...
Isn't that pretty much what they do in the "hood"?
...An expert marksman with a bolt action rifle, a defensible position and a desire for malice can cause a whole lot a damage if they wanted to.
An untrained moron in his underwear, his skin painted bright pink, a black target on his chest, with a AK-47 and a snail clip could do a LOT MORE damage in a mall or sporting event if he wanted to.
In reply to aircooled:
I bet a really well trained ninja with a box full of throwing stars could do more damage than that. Or a sorority girl driving an Accord Coupe texting while driving down Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras could easily take out more people. Wait, why does this matter?
Atl Atls are illegal in most states. Blame PETA.
In reply to aircooled:
No, not everyone in the hood is packing. It'd probably be a different place if the grannies were sitting on their porches with 12 gauges loaded with double aught.
Likewise, if everyone in the mall was packing, that untrained moron would so substantially less damage. Just saying.
I realize that it isn't completely feasible to run around like life is a no-holds barred Western-style shoot-em-up movie. I'm using hyperbole and exaggeration to illustrate my point. It's possible I'm doing a poor job. I'll do better =)
Brett_Murphy wrote: ... I'm using hyperbole and exaggeration to illustrate my point. It's possible I'm doing a poor job. I'll do better =)
That's OK, I was doing the same thing.
To the point: It's not whether it is black or white, its about the line and were you draw it.
Firearms are too dangerous in crowds. Any tool with poor trigger discipline can make a mistake and light off a few rounds from the Uzi while waiting on the subway platform and the results can be catastrophic.
I suggest that everyone carry a Katana when population density is greater than a certain ratio per sq mile. No one wants to get their belly sliced open for $20 worth of crack money. Not only is this much safer when things go wrong - it is totally badass, rarely capable of mass murder without years of training and can be used for eating, cleaning game or as a screwdriver/back scratcher. Try that with an Uzi.
aircooled wrote: Oh come on now! Now you're just getting ridiculous!
Exactly. We are interneting properly then.
There's porn of that...
pilotbraden wrote: The atl atl is illegal in Michigan, a game warden told me
Its Flint. No one cares.
Top three violent crime capitals in the US:
Not even an atl atl will save you in any of these places anyway. 
Apis_Mellifera wrote: That's what Hitler said.
Godwin's Law.
Will wrote:Apis_Mellifera wrote: That's what Hitler said.Godwin's Law.
can we start talking about pie, now?
Apis_Mellifera wrote:aircooled wrote:That's what Hitler said.Apis_Mellifera wrote: ...What I don't understand is why the desire to own a silencer, a FA weapon, or a Ford V8 must be justified to make it OK...I agree, most people don't understand the pure joy of nerve agents. I mean really, this is fun stuff, who is to say I can't have it!
Hitler also liked to speed: Hitler's long lost speeding summons has been found in a Bavarian archive.
He was handed the fine in the tiny hamlet of Baar-Ebenhausen, south of the city of Ingolstadt, on September 19, 1931 - a little over two and-a-half years before he became chancellor and Fuehrer.
He also put down the number plate - II A – 19357 - which happened to be Hitler's personal car and sent to details to superiors in Munich to learn who the car's owner was. The incident happened long before the days of speed cameras. In his report Probst wrote: 'The speed of the vehicle was determined by two officials with two stop watches.
'The car drove over a measured distance of 200m in 13 seconds, which results in the average speed of 55.3 km per hour (34.3mph).'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041979/German-archives-reveal-speeding-ticket-Adolf-Hitler-caught-driving-40mph-1931.html#ixzz1aRlU3ShW
93EXCivic wrote:BoostedBrandon wrote: Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.Guns don't kill people, husbands who come home early do.
Guns don't kill people, Chuck Norris kills people.
We've covered Hitler, I think we're done here.
In reply to fast_eddie_72:
I heard Obama likes fiscally irresponsible pie.
Otto Maddox wrote: In reply to fast_eddie_72: I heard Obama likes fiscally irresponsible pie.
I'll try a slice.
N Sperlo wrote: Top three violent crime capitals in the US: 1. Detroit, MI 2. Flint, MI 3. St. Louis, MO Not even an atl atl will save you in any of these places anyway.
I think you left one out. Camden, NJ is always in the top several in violent crime per capita list. Which is right across the river from Philly, another violent crime mecca.
I have a lot of "right wing" view, but gun rights aren't one of them. Today's world is a lot different than it was centuries ago. When 12 year old kids are packing heat in school, we got issues. Yes, yes, there are a million and one other social issues surround that problem which need to be addressed. But take that gun out of the kids hands, and it's a whole different ballgame.
First Hitler, now NEW JERSEY!
This needs to stop people.. you are out of control!!
The founders weren't real worried about personal safety. The 2nd Amendment is in there as a check on government authority, plain and simple. It's our insurance policy against tyranny and like all insurance it has costs. ~13K murders per year, as well as a lot of suicides that wouldn't have happened had a quick and painless death been a bit farther away.
IMO, the question is always whether or not that insurance policy is worth it. If we say armed insurrection is occasionally justifiable and we say governments are prone to eventually getting out of control, it's a nice numbers game. Someone must have done these calculations before, but back of the envelope stuff is fun...
Conservatively say about 15,000 people die per year because of firearms. The EPA puts a value of about $6.9M on the life of an american, so that's around a hundred billion dollars of human life wasted each year. That's the cost of the premium to maintain our ability to violently overthrow the government. Of course, it's really much less because the people getting killed by guns tend to be in the bottom 20% of society, and they actually have negative net worth. But we'll stick with the $6.9M average value.
Figure there's currently about a trillion bucks concentrated in the hands of a few, ah, hell, let's just call them oligarchs. It's probably way more, but let's just go after the top half a percent.
A good revolution, costing us maybe half a million american lives (kinda assuming the army quickly joined The People), isn't a good bet right now. That's about $3T in dead. We only get that trillion bucks of wealth from the rich people. We don't want to take a loss on this.
But fast forward a few decades! At some point, the average value of an american life drops some more (it dropped a million dollars in the five years leading up to 2008!) or merely stagnates. Meanwhile, the oligarchs gain many more trillions in net worth. Their relative net worth has been rising almost exponentially. That exponential growth will eventually outpace the cumulative cost of our annual 'insurance premium' and the cost of the revolution combined. That's the time to strike! Man, if you keep the death toll below projected levels, someone stands to make a hell of a margin on this.
Best part of this type of plan is that appeals to conservatives who like to look for a good ROI and to the far left liberals who want some kind of communist revolution. Anyway, I say gun ownership stays. I'd like to keep that revenue stream open for future generations.
At some point we may need to pay back the Chinese and this could be the easiest way to do it given how hard it is to raise taxes and cut spending.
In reply to ppddppdd:
There are only about 750 people you really need to remove to effect change. Tactical strikes. A little cyanide. A little blow gun... no need for all those boom-sticks. "reform" is as subtle as the cancer leaving an x-ray machine running aimed at the wall right next to someone's office will cause.
mad_machine wrote: This is a slippery slope.. both ways. (in the snow, barefoot) If we control high horsepowered cars and mufflers.. where do we stop? On that same coin, if we let people have them.. where do we stop the flow? personally, I see NO need for a high horsepowered car. Unless you are worried about running from bad guys, the government chasing you down the street, or hordes of street racers trying to outrun you at 3am.. then there is no real need to have something that definatly designed to go fast.. and go fast as often as possible.
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