How about you take responsibility for your kids actions?

MadScientistMatt wrote:

Brett_Murphy wrote: Tazers are not non-lethal force, as people die from Tazer use quite often.

It beats the previous "non-lethal" option, which was to pummel the suspect over the head with a heavy stick.

A pummelling is not easy work and wee little cops cannot expect to always win. The tazer enables lesser men and women to do the job but there is no honor in it.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

MadScientistMatt wrote:

Brett_Murphy wrote: Tazers are not non-lethal force, as people die from Tazer use quite often.

It beats the previous "non-lethal" option, which was to pummel the suspect over the head with a heavy stick.

A pummelling is not easy work and wee little cops cannot expect to always win. The tazer enables lesser men and women to do the job but there is no honor in it.

As opposed to a glock with a 78 round magazine?;)

Joey

Wife is a teacher that has to restrain daily. She has had 8 year olds that required 2 adults to hold them down to stop them from hurting themselves and others around them. She has to go through CPI training ever 6-8 months IIRC to keep legal. She has a 12 year old now that required 3 adults. and comes home scratched and bruised EVERY SINGLE DAY.

So I agree, parents do your job.

I've got no problem with Tasers. They are a useful tool, and probably have kept people from being killed of injured in comparison to techniques used prior to their invention. However, like any good tool, it is their misuse that concerns me.

I think because Tasers were considered "non-lethal" in the past, they might have been used in situations where their use might not have been warranted. Since Taser International has changed their marketing of the device and abandoned the non-lethal claim, procedures for Taser use can be updated and we won't see videos of people who are not resisting being Tasered.

If you have done something that warrants a tazer or pepper spray, you deserve much more. I thinkn the cops should have two things at their disposal. A gun with real bullets and a gun with rubber bullets.
If the consequences hurt, you are less likely do to it again. Being shot with a rubber bullet will shock the he!! outta your system and make you think twice about needing one again.
We are too soft on crims today. I mean, this punk had the cops called on him twice before this. It's time to take off the kid-gloves and administer some kind of beat-down. Put him in county lock up for a week for starters.

The problem with having two guns is that in the heat of the moment some cop somewhere WILL grab the wrong gun and someone will die because of it.

It's easy to pass judgement in hindsight, knowing all the details of the situation. It's much harder to do it on the fly, when all you know is how the person is behaving during the short time of your interaction with them.

While our criminal system is fairly abused (CEOs of big banks, I'm looking at you), the intention is to prevent the punishment of the innocent, at the cost of letting some of the guilty free. I certainly wouldn't want to live in the opposite, where some of the innocent get punished to ensure that all of the guilty do (especially considering that never will all the guilty be punished [outside of a potential afterlife]).

joey48442 wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

MadScientistMatt wrote:

Brett_Murphy wrote: Tazers are not non-lethal force, as people die from Tazer use quite often.

It beats the previous "non-lethal" option, which was to pummel the suspect over the head with a heavy stick.

A pummelling is not easy work and wee little cops cannot expect to always win. The tazer enables lesser men and women to do the job but there is no honor in it.

As opposed to a glock with a 78 round magazine?;) Joey

Joel, you have gone around the bend... Know wonder there are black helicopters all over Holly! Most LEOS only need to kill you 18X and you are running around killing them back another 60X!

huge-O-chavez wrote: respectfully disagree. It is not a teachers place to discipline a child. It is the parents. It is a teachers place to teach a child how to read, write, and be intellectually curious(also the parents responsibility).

Oh lulz. "They see me trollin', they hatin". You know, I'd love to meet you in real life, just to see if you are the same as you come off on the internet. That list is at about 3 people right now.

ReverendDexter wrote: The problem with having two guns is that in the heat of the moment some cop somewhere WILL grab the wrong gun and someone will die because of it.

There is no wrong gun when facing down angry 8yr olds with pointy pieces of wall trim. You throw whatever you have at them and pray it's enough.

I am glad the cops didn't pull me out the car and beat me senseless every time I hooned my car around town as a teenager.

People love street justice, just as long as the cops reserve it for other people.

All I was saying if the shiny happy little person got smacked once in a while for acting up, maybe he would be less inclined to do it in the future.

And teachers should be allowed to properly punish little E36 M3 heads in the classroom, without worrying about being sued by parents who are too lazy to do their job.

theres nothing a good choke-slam wont fix when dealing with children...srsly. Nothing says "you will listen to me and obey now!" like removing someones access to oxygen. If my kid steps out of line, in no way will I begrudge a teacher who does whats necessary to bring them back into profile. Any a-hole who has a problem with little Skylar getting a face full of whoopass when he hits his teacher deserves their own can off said behavior modification.

The problem is there are far too many so called parents trying to be their kid's best buddy and not setting boundaries. At some point if the 'rents won't discipline a child and that kid does something which society recognizes as incorrect behavior (as in this case) then someone else winds up doing it for them. That person or persons may not have the luxury of 'reasoning with them' and will have to take whatever action stops the behavior quickly, in this instance pepper spray. Then the alleged parents start squalling about it and blaming the person outside the so-called family for 'touching' their little monster, never realizing they created the problem requiring outside discipline. :eyeroll:

I do not expect my kid to be beaten at school. I do expect the teacher to take reasonable action if she gets out of line. If she did something worthy of a spanking, as long as I knew the circumstances I wouldn't have a problem. Yeah, I know that puts me in the minority and people will tell me I am a terrible parent but that's not my problem. My problem is raising a productive member of society who (as Chris Rock said) doesn't make a living dancing on a brass pole.

There were a couple comments earlier in the thread about there not being a lesson in a punishment. It works like this: if someone is going to hand out a punishment they better damn well tell the receiver why they are being punished and also that the punishment will ramp up if the behavior is not modified. If that has not been done then the punishment is useless.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

ReverendDexter wrote: The problem with having two guns is that in the heat of the moment some cop somewhere WILL grab the wrong gun and someone will die because of it.

There is no wrong gun when facing down angry 8yr olds with pointy pieces of wall trim. You throw whatever you have at them and pray it's enough.

That's exactly what I meant: Joe Rookie is gonna pull out his rubbers and end up shanked and bleeding out in Principal Jones' office when he just ends up pissing the little bastard off instead of taking him down.

huge-O-chavez wrote: ...Parent says he has problems but at home he is a normal kid so she dosen't know what the problem is.. (from today show interview)...

Anyone else think this is a huge problem too - giving these useless parents national TV time to whine about their little angel being oppressed and harrassed and mistreated by the big bad policemen?

My idea: if your kid screws up at school and needs to be punished (detention, lines, extra homework, pepper sprayed by the cops) the parents get the same punishment.

Bob

I agree this kid needs something. A proper parent. Some psychological help. Whatever.

But come on. Barricading yourself in a room from an 8 yr old? Pepper spraying an 8 yr old because he had a pointy stick? That yellow streak down the back must be pretty wide on the folks at the scene of "the crime".

Everyone is failing in this story.

Schmidlap wrote: the parents get the same punishment.

this...srsly

Curmudgeon wrote: I do not expect my kid to be beaten at school. I do expect the teacher to take reasonable action if she gets out of line. If she did something worthy of a spanking, as long as I knew the circumstances I wouldn't have a problem. Yeah, I know that puts me in the minority and people will tell me I am a terrible parent but that's not my problem.

I dont think that puts you in the minority. I see people all the time saying things like "I know Im in the minority, but I think children should be disiplined". So I dont think it puts you in the minority. I think most people think that way. Its just certain ...groups... are convinced that other ...groups... dont think this way.

Joey

Plus, I kinda wonder about old principals that want to spank children. Its kinda creepy.

Joey

Xceler8x wrote: But come on. Barricading yourself in a room from an 8 yr old?

You've obviously never seen adrenalin in action. A kid DENTED a steel (sheeted) door at a school my mom sub'd at one day. (EDIT- he was put in a room by himself until the EMT's could come as he was going KARAZY). He was only around 8-10 years old. A kid with something sharp could EASILY take an eye out. Fawk that noise, pepper spray'd biatch.

Let's not confuse "discipline" with "beating" or "spanking". I'm all in favor of disciplining the hell out of kids that need it. I am not in favor of beating them.

And I am sure that the cops would be perfectly capable of handling an 8 year old without pepper spray, but as mentioned above, "rules of engagement" made that the best course to choose rather than risk getting a charge of brutality and a lawsuit aimed at anyone over 18 who happened to be within a mile of the school that day.

I have to say that earlier this year my 8 year old was acting like an A-Hole at school. I informed him politely that it would stop immediately or he would lose his "privelages". He threw a fit the next day in school. I took all of the "kids" electronics out of the house and put them in our storage unit, I took away his LEGO collection and made him read and write every night from when he got home until I got home at 7:30. A week later I let him "off" and over the course of a month he got full privelages back. He was fine for 3 months and last week he reverted. I did not get a warning, he lost all of his privelages and was reading and writing again.

His penmanship is getting really good and he now reads at a 4th grade level.

John Brown wrote: I have to say that earlier this year my 8 year old was acting like an A-Hole at school. I informed him politely that it would stop immediately or he would lose his "privelages". He threw a fit the next day in school. I took all of the "kids" electronics out of the house and put them in our storage unit, I took away his LEGO collection and made him read and write every night from when he got home until I got home at 7:30. A week later I let him "off" and over the course of a month he got full privelages back. He was fine for 3 months and last week he reverted. I did not get a warning, he lost all of his privelages and was reading and writing again. His penmanship is getting really good and he now reads at a 4th grade level.

Thank you, sir. Thank you. Our world will be a better place because of your parenting.

My teachers, the police, etc never had to administer a beat down on me. Ya know why? Because I knew if I acted out like some of these little douchebags my parents would administer a beat down that made anything else look comical.

Sorry to all of you "dont lay a hand on my kids" parents out there, but if there is a need to give the kid a hard wake up and you are too much of a Bob Costas to do it then at least allow someone else to bring them in line.

Yes I am a parent, no I've never had to bring down the hammer on my kid, because she knows its there and she respects it. But I will, without hesitation, if she requires it. A little less coddling today makes a stronger more capable adult tomorrow. I have little tolerance for whiners, young or old and if you can teach your child to act like a responsible human being dont expect me to treat them like a human being.

I am not convinced beating a kid teaches him much of anything of value.