wae
wae Reader
6/26/13 9:37 p.m.

My wife took the kids in her 2003 Odyssey up to see her mom. Basically a 250 mile shot up I-71, no great big deal. About halfway between Columbus and Akron, she calls and tells me that the car has no power when going up a hill and the CEL and TCS light are illuminated. After a quick discussion we come to an understanding that the transmission is slipping. The transmission that I just had rebuilt a little under 24k miles and 2.5 years ago. The transmission that, when she got back, I was going to do a fluid change on. It's perfectly fine on level ground, but on a big hill it's slipping bad.

After an excruciating phone call, I talk her through pulling off at a gas station and checking the fluid level. She says it smells burnt and that there's some fluid on the case of the transmission. The level is down at the first hole in the dipstick, so I have her go into the store and buy a quart of ATF. The goofballs at the Shell have the audacity to charge her 99 cents for a freaking disposable paper funnel. I hope there's a place in hell reserved for them. Anyway, she puts some amount into the transmission -- no idea how much actually got in there because she said she spilled a bunch, but the level is now maybe near the top hole in the dipstick.

After about 10 miles on the highway, it starts slipping again, so I have her pull off and call her mom to drive the hour south to pick her up and we call AAA to get the car towed. Turns out that the difference between the "classic" and the "plus" is about $60 if you do that initially, but if you call when you actually need the 100 miles of towing, they only charge you $30 to upgrade! So now the wife, kids, and van have all been delivered to my mother-in-law's house.

I was planning on going up there on Saturday evening after a rallycross anyway, so I'll have my tools and the trailer and now I know what I'm doing Sunday. Hooray.

My guess is that some seal blew on the transmission -- I'd guess an axle seal? -- but it only seems to leak when the car is moving. I'm suspecting that the fluid got low which caused the slipping. What I don't know is if the leak is bad enough or that she didn't put enough in when she tried to refill it and a filter and fluid change will patch it back together or if running low on fluid like that caused the transmission to grenade itself and I'm looking at another $1,200 (or whatever it was) rebuild job. The worst part is that the transmissions in those things are such crap -- apparently made by the same origami artists that brought you the ever-so-durable Mazda 323 GTX transmission -- that going to a yard and grabbing a used one is pretty much an exercise in futility since it'll probably be bad or a couple thousand miles from bad anyway.

That goofy van always seems to have something wrong with it. If it's not the made-of-glass transmission, it's the overly-complicated power doors, or the suspension knocking or rattling, or a leaf getting caught in the cabin air filter and making a huge racket, or the gas cap not being torqued down to 500 ft. lbs and throwing the CEL... I realize it's a 10 year old car with 143k on the clock, but I didn't think that was all that much for a Honda.

Okay, rant over, going to bed. Thanks, I feel better.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy UberDork
6/26/13 9:56 p.m.
wae wrote: My guess is that some seal blew on the transmission......

The good news is you can start a lot of stories with this line......the other day the wife blew a seal.....adds a lot of comedy to your day!

failboat
failboat SuperDork
6/27/13 8:31 a.m.

I would definitely rephrase that to "the tranny blew a seal"

cghstang
cghstang HalfDork
6/27/13 8:39 a.m.

Mr. Roos went through three iterations of tranmission in his Acura TL type S before selling it. I think it had a similar trans as the one in the oddity.

dj06482
dj06482 GRM+ Memberand Dork
6/27/13 9:46 a.m.

We had an issue where the passenger side drive axle pulled out of the transmission case, which caused a large ATF leak on our '05 Odyssey a few years ago. Hopefully yours is something simpler!

beans
beans Reader
6/27/13 9:48 a.m.

J-series 4-speed automatic transmissions are garbage. The 5-speeds in the TL/CL weren't much better. Lots of complaints with those things.

Went through about 4 in my '98 Accord V6 before it was off'd.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 UberDork
6/27/13 9:51 a.m.

Poop. Y'all are makin' me nervous about my wife's Accord. She's got the 2013 with the V6. Anybody heard of these blowing up yet?

wae
wae Reader
6/27/13 10:30 a.m.

Yeah, I definitely don't want to tell the neighbors about how my wife took a trip without me and wound up blowing a tranny...

I'm really hoping against hope that after plugging up whatever is leaking, things will go back to normalish.

Ranger50
Ranger50 PowerDork
6/27/13 10:31 a.m.

You got 24k and 2.5yrs out of it. Consider yourself lucky. Most of the Japanese transmissions I have seen rebuilt never move again the same, if at all.

chandlerGTi
chandlerGTi Dork
6/27/13 10:57 a.m.
Ranger50 wrote: You got 24k and 2.5yrs out of it. Consider yourself lucky. Most of the Japanese transmissions I have seen rebuilt never move again the same, if at all.

This^^

They are junkier than dodge transmissions and that's saying a lot. I'm a dodge guy so I can say that.

wae
wae Reader
6/27/13 11:40 a.m.

The worst part is that I knew this was going to be a problem when I bought the stupid thing. But it was the car my wife wanted, and I explained all of this to her before we even looked at Oddities... but she didn't care, it was what she wanted. Those transmissions have been known to be complete garbage pretty much ever since they started rolling them off the factory floor. I did think, however, that by budgeting for a rebuild around 110-120k, I'd be set to get it to 200k with nothing but maintenance. How little I know!

Something that I thought of while I was getting lunch, though (and tell me if this is way off base...): I noticed that there was a bit of clunky/grindy/rumbley noise that sounded suspiciously like a CV joint acting up lately. I know that when I lost a CV in my Neon, it started out acting like the clutch was slipping and then I lost all forward motion. Is it possible that the CV is giving up the ghost?

beans
beans Reader
6/27/13 12:16 p.m.
1988RedT2 wrote: Poop. Y'all are makin' me nervous about my wife's Accord. She's got the 2013 with the V6. Anybody heard of these blowing up yet?

You should be fine. They got the auto's pretty well sorted from 2003+ in the Accords.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury MegaDork
6/27/13 12:22 p.m.

This Honda Odyssey is a piece of E36 M3

Ranger50
Ranger50 PowerDork
6/27/13 12:30 p.m.
chandlerGTi wrote: They are junkier than dodge transmissions and that's saying a lot. I'm a dodge guy so I can say that.

But those that lose the PFM smoke, can be FIXED!!!! Unlike the across the Pacific ones.

Bobzilla
Bobzilla UberDork
6/27/13 1:02 p.m.
1988RedT2 wrote: Poop. Y'all are makin' me nervous about my wife's Accord. She's got the 2013 with the V6. Anybody heard of these blowing up yet?

We're only seeing torque converters and reflashes at the moment.

Bobzilla
Bobzilla UberDork
6/27/13 1:02 p.m.
beans wrote:
1988RedT2 wrote: Poop. Y'all are makin' me nervous about my wife's Accord. She's got the 2013 with the V6. Anybody heard of these blowing up yet?
You should be fine. They got the auto's pretty well sorted from 2003+ in the Accords.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wait, you were serious?

wae
wae Reader
6/28/13 10:05 a.m.

And to make it even better, I just noticed that the pinion seal on the differential on my '06 E-150 has sprung a leak. So now I have to decide if I want to just top it off every so often or if I want to attempt pulling that apart today in the hopes that I can figure out what I'm doing and get it back together in time to leave early tomorrow morning. I'm always a bit hesitant to jump in to anything where the service manual makes reference to using the special tool.

beans
beans Reader
6/28/13 10:11 a.m.
Bobzilla wrote:
beans wrote:
1988RedT2 wrote: Poop. Y'all are makin' me nervous about my wife's Accord. She's got the 2013 with the V6. Anybody heard of these blowing up yet?
You should be fine. They got the auto's pretty well sorted from 2003+ in the Accords.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wait, you were serious?

They were... "better" I haven't heard of those berkeleying up nearly as much as the Oddy's and 6th gen Accord's.

Brokeback
Brokeback Reader
6/28/13 10:12 a.m.

Assuming that is similar to my 05 ford ranger, I did it the cheater way and marked the nut/socket/pinoin all in one line, then counted how many rotations to get it off (be ready, it was seriuosly torqued down. I was pushing off the tires as hard as I could with my feet). When I went to put it back on, I did the same # of rotations as it took to get it off and torqued it as tight as I could.

Not the right way exactly, but I figure if my rear end grenades its an excuse to upgrade to a LSD and disc brakes.

Strizzo
Strizzo UberDork
6/28/13 12:13 p.m.
wae wrote: And to make it even better, I just noticed that the pinion seal on the differential on my '06 E-150 has sprung a leak. So now I have to decide if I want to just top it off every so often or if I want to attempt pulling that apart today in the hopes that I can figure out what I'm doing and get it back together in time to leave early tomorrow morning. I'm always a bit hesitant to jump in to anything where the service manual makes reference to using the special tool.

is it like dripping, or just wet around the pinion and flinging a bit of oil on the gas tank and underside of the body?

slight pinion seal leak is almost factory standard, i doubt you'll lose enough to worry between diff fluid changes.

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