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GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/7/24 7:57 p.m.

In reply to Beer Baron 🍺 :

I've been having similar thoughts. There are even better systems than ranked choice voting though, like STAR voting and approval voting:

https://electowiki.org/wiki/Approval_methods

https://electowiki.org/wiki/STAR_voting

It's terrible that so many countries are stuck with FPTP which is like Babby's First Electoral System. The two-party stranglehold that tends to result due to Duverger's law has all kinds of terrible effects and introduces some huge vulnerabilities as well.

 

aircooled said:

One big issue I suspect you will run into when trying to change the "system" is that those who are in power in the system are the ones that have the power to change it.  They are also the ones that have benefited from it and have no motivation to change it.

But, good luck to you.  Fight the fight.  I don't envy you for what you are likely to encounter.

This is a real problem. Eventually you'll reach a point where you have to ask at least one of the big 2 parties in any FPTP system to essentially sign their own death warrant by improving the electoral system so that people will no longer have any reason to strategically vote for them. I think the only way to get that change through might be to run a single-issue party that exists only to overhaul the electoral system as quickly as possible and then call another election, and kick any issues down the road for that period that they can, and implement very centrist solutions to any issues that they can't delay, in order to minimize the reasons that anyone of any political persuasion would have to not vote for that party. This could overpower Duverger's law and get a majority to vote on improving how they vote.

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
11/7/24 8:27 p.m.

Our current Prime Minister had the promise of adopting proportional representation as part of his campaign.

Once he was in office, because of first-past-the-post voting, he dropped all of that.

Who could have seen that coming?

ClearWaterMS
ClearWaterMS HalfDork
11/7/24 9:54 p.m.

i have always had this fantasy, if I ever find a genie one of my wishes would be that the minute you take an oath of public office you can never lie again. 

 

in the end, I don't know if that would be a good or bad thing if politicians were never allowed to lie.  

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