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Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/9/11 7:56 p.m.

So...I have started a project to compile a BUNCH of information about the IMSA GTP class. It is going to be a long term endeavor, but everyone here will certainly be updated as things progress.

In my eyes, it was one of the greatest classes of racing to ever be run. Several manufacturers were involved, some of the greatest drivers drove some of the greatest cars. Very fast, very beautiful, and very nice to hear.

I was curious if anyone has era photographs, interviews with the people who made the series happen, or anecdotal stories of how things occurred.

If anyone has any suggestions of where I should start, they would be greatly appreciated. Are you aware of, or have the contact information for, any drivers, team members, series officials, or otherwise influential personnel, who would give a few moments to answer a few questions? If you were there, tell your side of it. Who did you cheer for and why? What events stick out in your memory?

DukeOfUndersteer
DukeOfUndersteer SuperDork
1/9/11 8:13 p.m.

Lucky for you, Tony Dowe is a local now. Need to get some stories out of him

racerfink
racerfink HalfDork
1/9/11 9:52 p.m.

www.grandtouringprototype.com

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/9/11 9:52 p.m.

I have not found a way to contact him via e-mail, yet. I may have to call his shop on Monday

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/9/11 9:54 p.m.
racerfink wrote: www.grandtouringprototype.com

Trust me, I STARTED there. Marshall Pruett has a damn good site for the GTP fan. Marshall is a hardcore car guy. He writes for SpeedTV.com, has a race team, coaches drivers, among other things.

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/9/11 10:28 p.m.

Anybody know Kas Kastner?

friedgreencorrado
friedgreencorrado SuperDork
1/9/11 10:45 p.m.

I was an active SCCA Corner Worker during that era. Funny thing, we who were in our 20s then actually sat around our campfire at night listening to our mentors tell their stories about the Can-Am 10-20yrs previously! Took me awhile to realize we'd participated in something equally cool.

I'll give ya what I got for the moment, other stuff I haven't scanned yet.

Geoff stuck behind a Lights car at 11, Road Atlanta 1986.

Jaguar XJR-12 left rear fender cover I'd retrieved from the road, knocked off in a bump at T7 as Brabham went by Cobb, maybe 1989 or 90? Took it down to the paddock at the end of the day, T. Dow said I should "just keep it" (didn't offer any autographs from himself or Price, he was pretty angry that they got beat).

From the same race, the empty "Camel Pyramid" podium display "check" (which I filled out to m'self at the worker party that night, of course!!). IIRC, the Camel Pyramid was a contingency payment from RJ Reynolds that promised $10K for every "new" overall winner on the season. Again, IIRC..after Kastner & Brabham got the Nissan working the way they wanted, that contingency was not paid to anyone that year!

Camel Cigarette advertising banner from the GTP era (notice the illustration of the 962). It was common practice then for us to leave our Worker clothes on at night so that the fans in the infield would think we belonged trackside, and wouldn't steal as much E36 M3 as we did..

I've got more pix that I haven't scanned from the 86 Road Atlanta Spring race (including the #16 Dyson 962 with RC Cola sponsorship after the guys at RC realized that Conte's March/Buick wasn't going to turn another lap), a bunch of stuff from Mid Ohio `90, a stack of race programs, and I honestly cannot remember how much else. I think there's an issue of the BMWCCA's Roundel with a feature on the M-Team, a water-filled keychain from Camel where you try to put the little plastic cigarettes back into the pack. And of course, back then the Camel Girls ran around the paddock and infield with trays of cigarettes like a "B-girl" in a WW2 movie. I don't recall ever spending money on cigarettes when the Camel GT came to town..

Brad, great project. I'll help as much as I can. I genuinely loved those cars, and as previously mentioned, didn't realize how fantastic that era while it was happening. I think the first little inkling I had was working the Petite Le Mans in 2005 or so, and at that Worker campground, there were about 10 folks that went wide-eyed and damn near crazed listening to me & my old compadres talk about working the GTP.

There's a great book out there about GTP. Although the IMSA series was based upon the Group C rules used in Europe and Asia, the cars were very different, and the sprint race format made the racing different as well. I'm still kicking myself that I couldn't afford it when it was published..seems like it was 80-90 bucks then, but it takes a lot more to get a copy of it now..

http://www.amazon.com/Prototypes-History-Imsa-J-Martin/dp/1893618013

There's also videos available on a website from someone trying to tell the entire history of IMSA.

http://www.imsahistory.com/

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/9/11 11:50 p.m.
friedgreencorrado wrote: There's a great book out there about GTP. Although the IMSA series was based upon the Group C rules used in Europe and Asia, the cars were very different, and the sprint race format made the racing different as well. I'm still kicking myself that I couldn't afford it when it was published..seems like it was 80-90 bucks then, but it takes a lot more to get a copy of it now.. http://www.amazon.com/Prototypes-History-Imsa-J-Martin/dp/1893618013 There's also videos available on a website from someone trying to tell the entire history of IMSA. http://www.imsahistory.com/

I have that site bookmarked. It is also pretty good.

This book offers much of the same information at a fraction of the cost of "Prototypes". It even has J.A. Martin as one of it's authors.

I have had this one since I wrote an article about the Dyson 962's.

Wally
Wally GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/10/11 2:34 a.m.
friedgreencorrado wrote: I've got more pix that I haven't scanned from the 86 Road Atlanta Spring race (including the #16 Dyson 962 with RC Cola sponsorship after the guys at RC realized that Conte's March/Buick wasn't going to turn another lap),

If you have a pic or two of that car it would be great. I have wanted to build a model of that for some time.

JFX001
JFX001 SuperDork
1/10/11 6:17 a.m.
Maroon92 wrote: Anybody know Kas Kastner?

www.kaskastner.com

Traded a few emails with him. He is on FB as well.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/10/11 8:48 a.m.

I have 3 really awesome books on all the racing in America, the 85, 86, and 87 editions. They have very large chapters on GTP. I will try and scan them for you.

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/10/11 9:10 a.m.
Javelin wrote: I have 3 really awesome books on all the racing in America, the 85, 86, and 87 editions. They have very large chapters on GTP. I will try and scan them for you.

That would be awesome! thanks!

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/10/11 9:11 a.m.

Does anybody have any old race reports or anything? Maybe old issues of AutoWeek/Competition Press?

Let me know what you have, I would be willing to buy them if necessary.

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/10/11 10:09 a.m.
Wally wrote:
friedgreencorrado wrote: I've got more pix that I haven't scanned from the 86 Road Atlanta Spring race (including the #16 Dyson 962 with RC Cola sponsorship after the guys at RC realized that Conte's March/Buick wasn't going to turn another lap),
If you have a pic or two of that car it would be great. I have wanted to build a model of that for some time.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1987/Road_Atlanta-1987-04-12-016.jpg

I have a whole disc of pictures of the Dyson cars, as soon as I find it, I will do some digging for you.

lewbud
lewbud Reader
1/10/11 10:34 a.m.

Alamo Grand Prix 1987 Alamo Grand Prix 1989

I've got some pics on fotki site, look for the albums marked San Antonio Grand Prix. If you can find/afford them, John Starkey wrote the definitive history of IMSA GTP. They're out there, but they're pricey.

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/10/11 4:49 p.m.

I just got off the phone from a 2 hour conversation with Hal Crocker. That was an experience! His place is only about 12 miles from mine, so we will certainly be meeting soon!

jimbbski
jimbbski Reader
1/10/11 6:13 p.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sik1d6uhwEI&playnext=1&list=PLCE706A0E7C3BF53E&index=11

This is a link to IMSA racing at Road America. Can't seem to find part #1. I think this is the race where one car ended up up a tree at corner #6. I was at the track tha day. I do have a number of pictures of IMSA racing at Mosport, Road America, and Mid Ohio. But I don't have a scanner. In fact a friend and I took two trips where we went to an IMSA race at Mid Ohio one weekend and then drove to Road America to watch the IMSA race a Road America the following weekend. Did the same thing the following year but went to Mosport first for the a race there and then Road America the following weekend.

Some of the best racing I ever saw. Only the racing in the Trans Am series in the sixties and then in the mid 80's to early 90's compares.

racerfink
racerfink HalfDork
1/10/11 6:31 p.m.

I worked for Joe Varde on his Firestone Firehawk team in '88, and lived in Florida since that time, so I got to see A LOT of GTP action. Even watched the '87 San Antonio race while I still lived in Texas.

I've got a ton of pics, but no way to scan them.

fastmiata
fastmiata Reader
1/10/11 8:19 p.m.

three memories of the era: 1) Brabham coming from one lap down to win at RA 2) eating a picnic lunch in the grass with Al Holbert and family 3) the IMSA GTP/ FIA Challenge race at Tampa(I was entered in a Firehawk race for the weekend and got asked for my autograph on several occasions) I got to talk to Mario almost 20yrs later and he remembered that weekend too.

friedgreencorrado
friedgreencorrado SuperDork
1/10/11 8:42 p.m.
Maroon92 wrote:
Wally wrote:
friedgreencorrado wrote: I've got more pix that I haven't scanned from the 86 Road Atlanta Spring race (including the #16 Dyson 962 with RC Cola sponsorship after the guys at RC realized that Conte's March/Buick wasn't going to turn another lap),
If you have a pic or two of that car it would be great. I have wanted to build a model of that for some time.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1987/Road_Atlanta-1987-04-12-016.jpg I have a whole disc of pictures of the Dyson cars, as soon as I find it, I will do some digging for you.

That's a much better pic than anything I have, Wally. And that forces a date correction..yes, it was 87. 86 would have been the year Bundy/VanDerMerwe won it in the Corvette. Strangely enough, while googling around to figure out how to spell Sarel's name correctly, I found this lil' tidbit on Vimeo.

http://vimeo.com/3279535

From what I can figure, it's actually the guy from the grandtouringprototype site posting it up!

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/10/11 9:12 p.m.
friedgreencorrado wrote:
Maroon92 wrote:
Wally wrote:
friedgreencorrado wrote: I've got more pix that I haven't scanned from the 86 Road Atlanta Spring race (including the #16 Dyson 962 with RC Cola sponsorship after the guys at RC realized that Conte's March/Buick wasn't going to turn another lap),
If you have a pic or two of that car it would be great. I have wanted to build a model of that for some time.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1987/Road_Atlanta-1987-04-12-016.jpg I have a whole disc of pictures of the Dyson cars, as soon as I find it, I will do some digging for you.
That's a much better pic than anything I have, Wally. And that forces a date correction..yes, it was 87. 86 would have been the year Bundy/VanDerMerwe won it in the Corvette. Strangely enough, while googling around to figure out how to spell Sarel's name correctly, I found this lil' tidbit on Vimeo. http://vimeo.com/3279535 From what I can figure, it's actually the guy from the grandtouringprototype site posting it up!

Yeah, that is from Marshall's site. This link should help you waste some time!

oldsaw
oldsaw SuperDork
1/10/11 9:28 p.m.

Here's another link to occupied otherwise productive moments:

http://www.pbase.com/mwphoto

A sample of good things to come:

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/14/11 9:01 p.m.

I may as well bump this back up. It has been 4 days!

I have spoken with Hal Crocker at least 5 times and exchanged several e-mails with him. I will hold my cards close to my chest for the time being, but expect to see something really cool coming from us in the future.

As it goes however, please keep your stories coming. Who was where, doing what, and why?

pete240z
pete240z SuperDork
1/14/11 9:35 p.m.

I was getting free cigarette 1/2 packs from the Camel tent at Road America. Smoked them all and kept buying Camel lights.........what was that all about?

Maroon92
Maroon92 SuperDork
1/14/11 9:44 p.m.
pete240z wrote: I was getting free cigarette 1/2 packs from the Camel tent at Road America. Smoked them all and kept buying Camel lights.........what was that all about?

Dunno, but it accomplished what PM wanted it to. You were smokin' their product.

I don't smoke, and I never have condoned it, but I do miss tobacco sponsorship.

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