It's over!

In reply to Curmudgeon:

This exactly, you don't have to recieve the miranda rights when arrested, its just that they can't use anything you say in court until they do.

Curmudgeon wrote: Since he is a citizen, I suppose that makes sense; if he were an alien here on a visa or illegally then maybe that means he'd be an enemy combatant. The release doesn't say specifically if he will be tried as a terrorist, only that he will be tried in the federal civilian court system. He might be tried as a garden variety murderer. Come to think of it, that might be best; it could keep him from becoming a political hot potato.

I meant to quote the idiocy earlier of the "for political reasons" being included in the definition of terrorism, it has no reasoning or bearing to this case.

On a side note related to here, if outside influence is proven, can he be tried for treason?

I heard an "expert" say it looks like they have a lock solid case, so they didn't think there was any jeopardy in delaying the Miranda rights. But I heard it on CNN, so there's about a 50/50 chance they were even talking about accurate facts.

yamaha wrote:

Curmudgeon wrote: Since he is a citizen, I suppose that makes sense; if he were an alien here on a visa or illegally then maybe that means he'd be an enemy combatant. The release doesn't say specifically if he will be tried as a terrorist, only that he will be tried in the federal civilian court system. He might be tried as a garden variety murderer. Come to think of it, that might be best; it could keep him from becoming a political hot potato.

I meant to quote the idiocy earlier of the "for political reasons" being included in the definition of terrorism, it has no reasoning or bearing to this case. On a side note related to here, if outside influence is proven, can he be tried for treason?

That's an interesting question.

Treason definition: 1.The crime of betraying one's country, esp. by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

His actions don't seem to have risen to that level. I would think that, if it turns out there was an outside authority guiding him then it might be possible to charge him with some form of espionage.

More details: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-22/full-criminal-complaint-against-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-including-new-details

In reply to Curmudgeon:

Ahh, espionage was the word I was thinking of.......I'd be a terrible writer.

On that note, NBC news is full of idiots, as they're leading the WMD talk by the sounds of it.......

fast_eddie_72 wrote: I heard an "expert" say it looks like they have a lock solid case, so they didn't think there was any jeopardy in delaying the Miranda rights. But I heard it on CNN, so there's about a 50/50 chance they were even talking about accurate facts.

They may not even be talking about the right case

What a crazy week it has been.

MA$$Hole and I went into Boston (actually Cambridge) to go see the band Fu Manchu on Thursday night. Yes, they were awesome. We didn't think twice about going because like many others, we figured the bombers had long since fled the city and that we needed to go about our business, because if you didn't, then the terrorists win. I had pretty much no cell service at the venue, so when I get out, I have a million missed calls, texts, etc. from my wife and family who knew I was in Cambridge telling me to call ASAP. Just a few hours after we drove by MIT after crossing the Mass Ave bridge, all hell broke loose. After getting the heads-up from the wife, we ended up taking an alternate route home (Storrow Drive I think) and we could see across the way that there were blue lights everywhere right where we had been just hours earlier. I hit Twitter to see what was going on, and I was shocked to hear that a MIT police officer had just been killed while sitting in his car. At that point, we both questioned if it was connected with the bombing on Monday, and we had a feeling that it had to have been.

I got home, and the wife already had the news going, and I sat down and we watched it together. I immediately thought about some of my parents' friends who live in Watertown. The area where the gunfight happened was not too far from a Sons of Italy lodge which I've been to many times with my dad, who's a member of that organization. It hit home again; for the second time in a week there was insanity in places I've been on any given day. It's a very strange feeling.

As the battle and ensuing manhunt went on, night turned into day. I got very little sleep, but I headed back up to MA$$Hole's place to go to the New England Hardcore and Metal Fest. He informed me that we were going to head into the city and pick up some people he knew from a message board that needed a ride to the show. Since they shut down the MBTA, they had no way of getting there.

Friday was really nice out. It was warm and sunny, and the city was eerily deserted, even in the parts that were not on lockdown. There was a tentative and tense feeling in the air. After picking up the people and making our way to the show, I kept tabs on Twitter on the developing situation. At the venue, you could hear people talking about what was going on. Metal heads (including myself) donned Boston gear, which was pretty damn cool. While sitting out the Every Time I Die and Hatebreed sets (not a fan of either band), they caught Suspect 2. Soon enough, you could tell that people were ready to celebrate.

Both Hatebreed and Anthrax made a point to tribute songs to law enforcement, and the victims, and Scott Ian even donned a Red Sox hat, which I never, ever thought I see. For those who aren't metal heads, Anthrax is from NY and they are a NY institution. They are HUGE NY sports fans. That was awesome.

In the end, there are still many unanswered questions. There is justice to be done. There are motives to expose. There are wounds that require healing. But I am extremely proud to be a Bostonian like never before. People here can be rude, abrasive, and sometimes stupid, but when it matters, they came through. People helped others in every way possible, and I hope they keep it going around here for a long time. And the world learned what happens when you mess with us. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world.

So Scott Ian really IS the man! ;) Props. That is berkeleying badass.

poopshovel wrote: So Scott Ian really IS the man! ;) Props. That is berkeleying badass.

True. They even played I'm the Man! They didn't play it last time I saw them, so that was really cool.

When I was little, I used to run around my house singing the uncensored version thanks to my sister. Best part is that every time I did, SHE got in trouble and not me. Win-win situation right there.

I would have loved to see Hatebreed and Anthrax play.

In reply to SilverFleet:

How was Black Breath?

fast_eddie_72 wrote: The work the police and FBI did on this was amazing. I can't believe they got him alive.

He is probably thinking the same thing
http://www.newser.com/story/166603/tsarnaev-awake-answering-questions-in-writing.html

The Boston bombing suspect is listed as in serious but stable condition at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, with neck and throat injuries that prevent him from talking. The shot that injured his throat was fired at close range, sources tell Newsday, and that, combined with the bullet's apparent trajectory, leads investigators to believe that the 19-year-old shot himself in a failed suicide attempt after police discovered his hiding place.

I don't know a lot about good ways to off yourself but, uh - who shoots them self in the neck?

fast_eddie_72 wrote: I don't know a lot about good ways to off yourself but, uh - who shoots them self in the neck?

Stupid chechens. (jokes.)

"In Chechen Russia, shrapnel kill you!"

If only.

fast_eddie_72 wrote: The work the police and FBI did on this was amazing. I can't believe they got him alive.

...and yet a lot of the internet can't seem to criticize the operation enough.

If he was trying to put a bullet through his bottom jaw, and they hit him with a stun grenade at that exact moment...

http://www.npr.org/2013/04/23/178633867/clues-suggest-boston-suspects-took-a-do-it-yourself-approach

As investigators look into the Boston Marathon bombings, one crucial question is whether the suspects, brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, acted alone or had help. The clues might be found in the bombs used. From what is now known, it appears the brothers assembled a whole arsenal of explosives. Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau told CNN last weekend that the suspects had at least six bombs, including the two used in the attack and one thrown at police during a shootout. There were three bombs that weren't detonated, including one found at the Tsarnaevs' apartment in Cambridge. Evidently they had a whole bomb-making operation somewhere. Could a couple of young men, described by an uncle as "losers," really have done this all on their own, without training or instruction or financial support? Michael Bouchard, a former special agent at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, says these kinds of homemade explosives turn up all the time.

How does that one dudes wife not know about the bomb making and stuff.

According to the evil right wing media, stoney mcbomberstein has confessed, and cites anger over the wars in iraq and trashcanistan as the motive.

poopshovel wrote: According to the evil right wing media, stoney mcbomberstein has confessed, and cites anger over the wars in iraq and trashcanistan as the motive.

I heard that too, but it sounds a lot more interesting when you tell it.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: How does that one dudes wife not know about the bomb making and stuff.

She can't read and she's not allowed in the "scraggly beard not-quite-a-man cave?"

Jokes.

But it would be awesome if marrying scuzzy muzzy mcweirdbeard was a big "berkeley you" to her strict, white, republican family. Little tough to make the payment on the BMW when al quada's not funding you, isn't it, princess?

I bet she had some Jeanine Garrafalo lookin aunt who was all "supportive" lol.

E36 M3 beard there had a 3-year old kid and was apparently arrested for beating the E36 M3 out of Mrs. E36 M3 beard in 2009.

Let me guess, that NPR story was filed by Dina Rasston-Temple... I'll pass.

In reply to poopshovel:

I have no clue what I just read here......