Heh. What I'm hoarding is a community of reliable, capable people that I can trust to work with to keep everyone cared for and protected.
Heh. What I'm hoarding is a community of reliable, capable people that I can trust to work with to keep everyone cared for and protected.
In reply to Beer Baron :
I was hoping you'd say "beer". 
In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
How do you think he's going to attract those people to his cause?
Very few mentions of medications. As society ages and becomes more and more dependent on "BIG PHARMA" and health insurance companies, most only have one months worth of their daily medications on hand. Whether it's diabetes, heart, cancer or whatever other ailment, after a few weeks the meds will run out and a whole new reality will arise.
1988RedT2 said:I would say that the single biggest concern is to be in the least densely populated area that you can put yourself into. Cities will rapidly become a dog-eat-dog arena where the strong will prey upon the weak for scarce resources. You won't find rioting and looting halfway up a mountain somewhere in Wyoming.
I'm going to disagree with this. Every E36 M3show I've ridden out in a city has had people come together pretty rapidly. Other areas seem to really struggle with the community aspects of maintaining a civilization.
In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
Idk. Given the current state of affairs, at least from what I can see- people developed a case of the berkeley yous pretty fast. In a permanent societal collapse, I can see that coming to violence, fast.
In reply to Mndsm :
Without getting overly political while a lot of the country did, in some places the haves pitched in right away to make sure the have nots were being helped.
Wally (Forum Supporter) said:1988RedT2 said:I would say that the single biggest concern is to be in the least densely populated area that you can put yourself into. Cities will rapidly become a dog-eat-dog arena where the strong will prey upon the weak for scarce resources. You won't find rioting and looting halfway up a mountain somewhere in Wyoming.
I'm going to disagree with this. Every E36 M3show I've ridden out in a city has had people come together pretty rapidly. Other areas seem to really struggle with the community aspects of maintaining a civilization.
short term I agree. Long term... not so much
In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
Yeah I'm not about politics. I wish I could say people were pitching in around here, but all I get is greedy berkeleys that are mad the mouse won't shake hands. A whole lot of "berkeley everyone in Florida, I wanna ride space mountain".
In reply to Beer Baron :
I agree with all this. I guess it depends how the world ends to a certain extent but I don't see someone going " well....my cell phone stopped working, guess I'll go kill and eat my neighbors"
If civilization did crash, and frankly I see that as being a long process instead of short, the Don't Be A Dick Rule becomes much more important. In less civilized times people were actually more polite and respectful, because you'd get shot/stabbed/speared if you didn't.
I did read a funny thing about people wanting to bug out from big cities into the country and live off the land though. The advice given is the single most important thing for your bugout gear is the biggest ice chest you can get filled with steaks and dry ice. That way when they do something inevitably stupid the people that find them will have steaks lol
In reply to bobzilla :
I don't think any of us would fair well long term. We've become a fairly soft population and even the most hard core prepper is likely to run into a situation they can't manage relatively soon. The best hope for long term survival is that a solution is found to whatever the problem is and a rather quick return to some sort of normal.
KyAllroad said:In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
How do you think he's going to attract those people to his cause?
Bribing people with alcohol is a time tested technique with a great success rate
Mndsm said:In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
Yeah I'm not about politics. I wish I could say people were pitching in around here, but all I get is greedy berkeleys that are mad the mouse won't shake hands. A whole lot of "berkeley everyone in Florida, I wanna ride space mountain".
This is why if I'm in charge step one will be set Florida adrift.
RX Reven' said:wearymicrobe said:Mndsm said:Liquor and cigarettes. If prison is Amy indicator, those things will be real valuable when society doesn't have regular access.
Not AMY!!!
I know right, I bet you could trade two Amy's and a cup for Cheyenne Mountain.
A Stargate would be pretty handy.......
j_tso said:Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:Best advice I can tell people if they are truly trying to prepare for this is to look at what people needed/wanted/used 200 years and do that.
That's why I'm surprised this thread is 3 pages and no one has mentioned a stable of horses.
Even if instead of storing fuel I can refine my own, what am I going to do about tires? The roads are going to deteriorate quickly.
Exactly, I think it's a mindset though.
A lot of people looking to go off grid view it as " I have 450ah of power, how can I use all of it" rather than looking at it as a very finite source that ideally you want to use as little as possible.
Using something that is finite and irreplaceable but getting a whole bunch if it doesn't make it any less finite or replacable. Using stuff that is sustainable is the better option
1988RedT2 said:I would say that the single biggest concern is to be in the least densely populated area that you can put yourself into. Cities will rapidly become a dog-eat-dog arena where the strong will prey upon the weak for scarce resources. You won't find rioting and looting halfway up a mountain somewhere in Wyoming.
Yeah but one thing that a lot of people planning on bugging out into the country don't realize is you are possibly moving onto someone's property. The country seems like it's empty but most of it is owned by someone.
National Forest is a good option but if it's a good spot with water shelter etc you'll probably have lots of people around you too. This means you are in the woods and you have people around you do there are still gonna be asshats.
When COVID started happening I saw on Facebook someone saying that they had a 9mm and 3 friends, if things got bad they'd just go to the more rural locations and take the stuff they wanted. A person commented basically saying he was an idiot because out in the country people debate on which gun to carry in their truck rather than if the should carry one. Country living is much different than living in a city
Think about the first moment something like this happens. No cell service, internet blackout, power outage. Are you at work? Where are your loved ones? How would you all know where to meet up? You can't call them, you can't make a plan now because it's too late. I imagine an instant mass-hysteria traffic jam in every major city, with everyone driving to go find and pick up their kids/wives/partners/parents. Half of those cars would end up stuck and abandoned for the rest of time, and I bet at least a quarter of us end up never see our loved ones ever again. I work 20 miles from home, and live 40 miles from my parents, and 20 miles from my partner. Who would travel to where? When do you give up walking? You would just have to hope you both have the same plan in mind.
Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:1988RedT2 said:I would say that the single biggest concern is to be in the least densely populated area that you can put yourself into. Cities will rapidly become a dog-eat-dog arena where the strong will prey upon the weak for scarce resources. You won't find rioting and looting halfway up a mountain somewhere in Wyoming.
Yeah but one thing that a lot of people planning on bugging out into the country don't realize is you are possibly moving onto someone's property. The country seems like it's empty but most of it is owned by someone.
National Forest is a good option but if it's a good spot with water shelter etc you'll probably have lots of people around you too. This means you are in the woods and you have people around you do there are still gonna be asshats.
When COVID started happening I saw on Facebook someone saying that they had a 9mm and 3 friends, if things got bad they'd just go to the more rural locations and take the stuff they wanted. A person commented basically saying he was an idiot because out in the country people debate on which gun to carry in their truck rather than if the should carry one. Country living is much different than living in a city
A few coworkers made similar comments about coming up by me. It's not a question of if they got shot but by which one of us, and who's pond they'd end up in. If you're going to escape it shouldn't be to unfamiliar territory, and you certainly shouldn't expect to overrun it's current residents.
maschinenbau said:Think about the first moment something like this happens. No cell service, internet blackout, power outage. Are you at work? Where are your loved ones? How would you all know where to meet up? You can't call them, you can't make a plan now because it's too late. I imagine an instant mass-hysteria traffic jam in every major city, with everyone driving to go find and pick up their kids/wives/partners/parents. Half of those cars would end up stuck and abandoned for the rest of time, and I bet at least a quarter of us end up never see our loved ones ever again. I work 20 miles from home, and live 40 miles from my parents, and 20 miles from my partner. Who would travel to where? When do you give up walking? You would just have to hope you both have the same plan in mind.
100%
our family has a general plan in place, started as a joke, but sans any other real plan, I'd bet all 6 adults follow it either until they got there or they died trying. It's not really a good plan, mind you, but it is a plan.
You also have the issue of unknown severity. Ok, so its happening. But is 'return to normal' in 10 days? 100? 1000? The best plan for each is probably very different, but how do you know which plan to act on? How do you ensure that your loved ones act on the same one?
By the way, today is a great day to reinforce general family emergency plans. Like fire in the house, medical emergencies, if you get separated or lost, when and when not to dial 911, communication expected before any member goes unreachable for 24 hours or more (like camping trip, etc). Those sorts of things.
It's funny that you mentioned that Travis. We had a conversation ptlrior to the last hunker down event here, which was a multi day power outage. Everyone stated the farm was where they would be going.
I have multiple generators. All oiled and ready to run and filled with powersport (no alcohol) fuel. We have a sub panel to run the house off the large generator but it really covers essentials. Stove, fridges, well. I never thought of myself as a prepper. It just made since to buy this used generator for $200 or that one for $150. Worst case they are worth more in an emergency and I become the profit monger. I'm the same way with snow blowers gotta catch em all or something like that.
Wally (Forum Supporter) said:Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:1988RedT2 said:I would say that the single biggest concern is to be in the least densely populated area that you can put yourself into. Cities will rapidly become a dog-eat-dog arena where the strong will prey upon the weak for scarce resources. You won't find rioting and looting halfway up a mountain somewhere in Wyoming.
Yeah but one thing that a lot of people planning on bugging out into the country don't realize is you are possibly moving onto someone's property. The country seems like it's empty but most of it is owned by someone.
National Forest is a good option but if it's a good spot with water shelter etc you'll probably have lots of people around you too. This means you are in the woods and you have people around you do there are still gonna be asshats.
When COVID started happening I saw on Facebook someone saying that they had a 9mm and 3 friends, if things got bad they'd just go to the more rural locations and take the stuff they wanted. A person commented basically saying he was an idiot because out in the country people debate on which gun to carry in their truck rather than if the should carry one. Country living is much different than living in a city
A few coworkers made similar comments about coming up by me. It's not a question of if they got shot but by which one of us, and who's pond they'd end up in. If you're going to escape it shouldn't be to unfamiliar territory, and you certainly shouldn't expect to overrun it's current residents.
This is very true, also, you really don't want to relocate yourself to a place where you will be even less likely to know the weather, local wildlife, directions to important places, etc. I'd wager you do not want to be in unfamiliar territory. But the most important reason is you want the people around you to want to keep you around.
Currently people fish for suckers in rivers (and finance). After the world turns upside down, people will fish for suckers traveling down the state highway. Think of how easy it would be to setup an invisible ambush on a rural road, and just sit and watch all day. Small group traveling by themselves? oh nice. All your stuff now becomes mine. Big caravan that looks well armed? NP, my buddies and I will just stay invisible and let them roll past.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:You also have the issue of unknown severity. Ok, so its happening. But is 'return to normal' in 10 days? 100? 1000? The best plan for each is probably very different, but how do you know which plan to act on? How do you ensure that your loved ones act on the same one?
This is pretty much what happened on 9/11. Complete and utter chaos, and that was WITH working internet and cell phones.
maschinenbau said:Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:You also have the issue of unknown severity. Ok, so its happening. But is 'return to normal' in 10 days? 100? 1000? The best plan for each is probably very different, but how do you know which plan to act on? How do you ensure that your loved ones act on the same one?
This is pretty much what happened on 9/11. Complete and utter chaos, and that was WITH working internet and cell phones.
We have plans that are dependant on what is happening at the time. The first meetup place for my immediate family is my house. Once there, we will make a decision as to the next step. For a short-term event, we will stay there. A long-term event will send us to the farm.
My extended family will all meet up at the farm as well if there is a long-term problem.
Having seen the fights and riots that happen on Black Friday and the stampedes that occure every time the media decides to create a panic, I have no faith that the general public will not turn into a pack of animals at the first sign of serious trouble. There were fistfights and car wrecks over gas last week. I can only imagine what it will be like when they are actually hungry and desperate.
Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:1988RedT2 said:I would say that the single biggest concern is to be in the least densely populated area that you can put yourself into. Cities will rapidly become a dog-eat-dog arena where the strong will prey upon the weak for scarce resources. You won't find rioting and looting halfway up a mountain somewhere in Wyoming.
Yeah but one thing that a lot of people planning on bugging out into the country don't realize is you are possibly moving onto someone's property. The country seems like it's empty but most of it is owned by someone.
Wow. I guess my comment was misunderstood. I certainly would never advocate trespassing or squatting on land that isn't yours. I believe that if people had a good bit more respect for other people and their property, the world would be a much better place.
No, what I meant was that you should choose to live in a rural setting and have the property and the knowledge to sustain yourself and your family when the stuff hits the fan.
1988RedT2 said:Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:1988RedT2 said:I would say that the single biggest concern is to be in the least densely populated area that you can put yourself into. Cities will rapidly become a dog-eat-dog arena where the strong will prey upon the weak for scarce resources. You won't find rioting and looting halfway up a mountain somewhere in Wyoming.
Yeah but one thing that a lot of people planning on bugging out into the country don't realize is you are possibly moving onto someone's property. The country seems like it's empty but most of it is owned by someone.
Wow. I guess my comment was misunderstood. I certainly would never advocate trespassing or squatting on land that isn't yours. I believe that if people had a good bit more respect for other people and their property, the world would be a much better place.
No, what I meant was that you should choose to live in a rural setting and have the property and the knowledge to sustain yourself and your family when the stuff hits the fan.
I'm sorry, mine was misunderstood too.
I'm not saying that you personally think that, I'm saying that a lot of people's idea of bugging out to the country is a bad idea for these reasons.
I don't think you think that nor was my comments directed towards you
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