Man fights TSA and wins

http://noblasters.com/post/1650102322/my-tsa-encounter

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin

In other news, man fights internet and loses.

pigeon wrote: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death.
-Adolf Hitler

I dont think he will be allowed to fly comercial again. Certainly not on Delta.

porksboy wrote: I dont think he will be allowed to fly comercial again. Certainly not on Delta.

on the no fly list he goes.

In reply to TJ:

The link works again. The first time I clicked on it it said the bandwidth had been exceeded.

Brilliant. I think I may cause an according stink, just for E36 M3s and giggles if they try that on me.

A better idea, just don't fly. Lucky for me there is no where I need or want to go that I can't drive. It will be interesting to see how the opt out day goes tomorrow.

How do the frequent fliers feel about the new scanners and feel up techniques? No being a flier it doesn't effect me, but I can't imagine being frisked like a convict or having people look a my fat naked ass.

I fly for business - a lot. I'll have somewhere over 140 segments by the end of the year. Over the past decade I've had bags disassembled, hands chemical swiped, handed over my wallet, shut down security and been surrounded as a result of a GPS cord inside a hollow cylinder, been subject to secondary screening and frisking numerous times, and now deal with the public's dread of the Nude-o-Scope. Most of the people that travel for a living realize that it is part of the process and accept it, just like you do the long commute, the fight for a parking space, the swipe into the building, and the office politics. It's mainly the casual flyers that have the biggest problems, fears, etc because they don't deal with this stuff every day.

Someone wants to look under my clothes? I feel sorry for them. Just let me put my feet on the marks on the floor, hold my hands above my head, and be done with the process so that I can move on.

Opt out protest? At least it won't be in the preferred flyer security line......

glueguy wrote: Opt out protest? At least it won't be in the preferred flyer security line......

True... Gotta love that Silver status I finally earned. (I know its weak, but I'm happy).

I do worry about the safety of those scanners.

I think most of those making a stink, don't HAVE to fly. I'm betting that they

For frequent flyers, the amount of radiation could be hazardous

It's a shame that we as a people are putting up with this crap. It does not make us any safer. It may make some of us feel safer. It makes the state stronger and personal liberty weaker. In short it is nothing but a farce and if the people as a whole had any balls we would not stand for it.

Luckily, given my feelings on the matter, in my current position I do not have to travel. Unfortunately, the reality is that if I had to travel for business, I too, would give up my freedoms and be groped and/or photographed naked just to get on the damn plane. Just one of the many things that sucks in the world I guess.

I bet somewhere in a cave in Pakistan there is a bearded guy with a bad liver watching the cable news networks via sattelite while sitting on his favorite couch underneath his "mission accomplished" sign.

Big ego wrote:

glueguy wrote: Opt out protest? At least it won't be in the preferred flyer security line......

True... Gotta love that Silver status I finally earned. (I know its weak, but I'm happy). I do worry about the safety of those scanners. I think most of those making a stink, don't HAVE to fly. I'm betting that they

Perhaps. But you don't see a problem with this? Air travel is the most cost effective way to move quickly around the country, and damn near the only way to move around the world. This whole "Just don't fly" is nonsense. Have you seen the videos of TSA agents touching children in ways that would get anyone else arrested? Do you have a wife or girlfriend? Do you care that a TSA agent can, with their open palm, grab their breasts, and genitals? This is disgusting.

And back to that whole "Don't fly" nonsense. That's like saying "If you don't like speed cameras don't drive". I bet half the people who complain about speed cameras don't need to drive, they could take public transportation!

Sorry--the guys seems REALLY annoying. Look at me--I'm a blogger.

Folks, one more terrorist incident and just wait 'til you see what flying will entail.

<--had the body scan, didn't care. Doesn't want underwear bombers on his flight.

Drewsifer wrote: Have you seen the videos of TSA agents touching children in ways that would get anyone else arrested? Do you have a wife or girlfriend? Do you care that a TSA agent can, with their open palm, grab their breasts, and genitals? This is disgusting.

Ya know... my problem with this isn't the groping. I'm sure the TSA agents aren't all pervs enjoying the job of fingering grandma. My problem is that I am just not that berkeleying afraid of terrorists that I want to have it invade every aspect of my life. I am more likely to be killed by lightening on the day I win the lotto than to be murdered by hijackers. I still go out in the berkeleying rain.

People who say they embrace this kind of thing "for our own good" make me want to shake them. What kind of berkeleying Bob Costas have we become that we can no longer allow ourselves the responsibility of deciding who is and who isn't a risky passenger? We submit a family of four from Nebraska to ass-rape to see if the 3rd generation American of polish decent traveling with his family stashed a grenade in his 3yr olds shiny happy person? Really? That is efficient use of authority.

The new regime will inherit a nation conditioned to be good sheep. That is for sure.

What an ass. The idea that all terrorists look like Osama and carry a big block of clearly labelled C4 is ridiculous. You look American and have ID so now I just have to let you walk into my country without any safety procedures at all? If you don't like the rules, stay home d-ckhead...the police and TSA have better things to worry about than your smug BS.

pinchvalve wrote: What an ass. The idea that all terrorists look like Osama and carry a big block of clearly labelled C4 is ridiculous. You look American and have ID so now I just have to let you walk into my country without any safety procedures at all? If you don't like the rules, stay home d-ckhead...the police and TSA have better things to worry about than your smug BS.

I didn't say anything at all about how a person "looks", you did.

I am also not leaving the country. I am traveling between airports in the US. I am an American citizen. I have no criminal record. I have a record of frequent flights to/from this destination as well as thousands upon thousands of miles. I have walked into the White House without anyone checking my nutsack. Is it a good use of time to subject me to the same scrutiny as a person with no miles from a different country of origin?

Would you be pissed if the police stopped you on the highway just to see if you posed a threat?

TJ wrote: I bet somewhere in a cave in Pakistan there is a bearded guy with a bad liver watching the cable news networks via sattelite while sitting on his favorite couch underneath his "mission accomplished" sign.

this guy gets it.. the whole point of terrorism is to scare- or "terrorize"- the target to the point where they are afraid to do anything because they think they might die.

every day, we over-react in ever increasingly paranoid ways and the terrorists get to claim yet more small victories. the war on terror is essentially over, and we aren't on the winning side.

I'm with GPS on this one. I'll freely admit- I look like i'm on the fringe. I haven't had a haircut in a few years, and I quit shaving back in July. So- that probably makes me more of a suspect right there. I've had secondary searches before (I forgot that I was wearing a big ol' gnarly 3 row pyramid spiked belt once while at DFW- I was hung over and in no mood for air travel. 20$ in overpriced drinks at the bar fixed that) and to be honest, whenever I've had them, I can think of a pretty good reason why I might look like a troublemaker. But what they're doing now, is ridiculous. I can honestly say I applaud the man who did this, if for nothing else, he stood up for his rights. Too many people these days just roll over and let big brother have whatever the hell they want, without much of a fight. There's been so much fear mongering and other assorted BS since 9-11, it's not even funny. I for one am in no mood to let Uncle Sam have any more of my liberties. Backscatter? Screw that. Touch my junk and I'm breaking your hand. If you got a good reason to search me, by all means do it. Been searched by law enforcement before, and each and every time, they've had a good reason to do so. I got noooooo problems with that. But some goober with a rubber glove sitting in an airport decides IM a threat? Please... I'm probably the biggest asset you got on this plane, because I'm too stupid to know any better, and likely would beat the hell out of a terrorist, bomb or not, because he was ruining my run in Mario Kart.

novaderrik wrote:

TJ wrote: I bet somewhere in a cave in Pakistan there is a bearded guy with a bad liver watching the cable news networks via sattelite while sitting on his favorite couch underneath his "mission accomplished" sign.

this guy gets it.. the whole point of terrorism is to scare- or "terrorize"- the target to the point where they are afraid to do anything because they think they might die. every day, we over-react in ever increasingly paranoid ways and the terrorists get to claim yet more small victories. the war on terror is essentially over, and we aren't on the winning side.

It is useful and common practice for a government to foster and exploit that fear. It makes the flock easier to fleece. I'm sure a lot of you don't remember practicing bomb shelter drills in grade school. Terror is the new Atomic apocalypse - the new communism - we always need a common enemy.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson.

TJ wrote: I bet somewhere in a cave in Pakistan there is a bearded guy with a bad liver watching the cable news networks via sattelite while sitting on his favorite couch underneath his "mission accomplished" sign.

Bush lives in Pakistan?

Big ego wrote: Bush lives in Pakistan?

I had some Pakistani bush in college but that was a long time ago

Drewsifer wrote: But you don't see a problem with this?

Me? Do I want some dude groping my junk.. Not really.

Do I want to go through the backscatter machine.. Nope.

But I gotta fly for work and to be honest, I want a different technological solution. I don't want my pregnant wife going through that thing.

The solutions are.. Give in to privacy invasion or have planes blow up right now.

Seriously, what is the % risk that a plane will blow up say vs. dying from driving a car. 33,000 people died last year(in USA) from auto accidents and that is a risk we all accept when getting into our cars. I'll bet the risk is much lower even if we ratchet the security back some. Some planes may blow up.. but hey.. I don't see a public outcry over vehicle accident deaths....