I've watched so many Father Ted episodes... so many times have I come home from work and channeled my inner Father Jack:
"DRINK!!!"
Appleseed said:In reply to Toyman! :
Communion memes are incredibly hard to find.
They're like communism memes, but with more food.
ba-dum-tiss
In reply to PMRacing :
Those massive blind spots in most of the vehicles today were caused by vehicle regulations. Most flagrantly:
1) Pedestrian impact regulations (making vehicle fronts higher and blunter)
2) Crash impact regulations, which seem to have raised beltlines and reduced the amount of glass area.
Adding 360 degree cameras helps, but what we've basically got now is people driving around in tanks- vehicles that are difficult to see out of without electronic aids.
1970:
2022:
The majority of the focus has been on making everyone safer in the event of a collision, at the expense of visibility to avoid said collision.
I'm curious what amount of the added height of a new F150 is from regulation. I dont think its much, if any. I bet most of it is styling and capacity - need a place for cooling an engine making 1341543154315 horsepower moving at slow speed towing an entire neighborhood up a mountain.
Edit: Plus the (base) tires alone on a 2022 are 4" taller than a 1990. I dont think any regulation forced that.
In reply to ProDarwin :
As I understand, pedestrian safety regulations tend to be about bumper and hood shape, and where on a pedestrian's body a car would impact.
The idea is that a pedestrian should roll over the hood of a car if hit, not get cut off at the knees.
I'm pretty certain trucks are not subjected to these same regulations because they're classified as "work vehicles" or "commercial vehicles" or some such. You are not rolling over the hood of the above truck.
ProDarwin said:I'm curious what amount of the added height of a new F150 is from regulation. I dont think its much, if any. I bet most of it is styling and capacity - need a place for cooling an engine making 1341543154315 horsepower moving at slow speed towing an entire neighborhood up a mountain.
Edit: Plus the (base) tires alone on a 2022 are 4" taller than a 1990. I dont think any regulation forced that.
There's also the need to make the suspension handle the added weight capacity that "half-ton" trucks can handle now, while simultaneously making the ride more comfortable since they have replaced other cars as the family hauler. And keeping the cab/doghouse looking right when upping the height of the bedsides so they can advertise a higher cubic foot capacity.
eastsideTim said:ProDarwin said:I'm curious what amount of the added height of a new F150 is from regulation. I dont think its much, if any. I bet most of it is styling and capacity - need a place for cooling an engine making 1341543154315 horsepower moving at slow speed towing an entire neighborhood up a mountain.
Edit: Plus the (base) tires alone on a 2022 are 4" taller than a 1990. I dont think any regulation forced that.
There's also the need to make the suspension handle the added weight capacity that "half-ton" trucks can handle now, while simultaneously making the ride more comfortable since they have replaced other cars as the family hauler. And keeping the cab/doghouse looking right when upping the height of the bedsides so they can advertise a higher cubic foot capacity.
Right.
Manufacturers are absolutely capable of making stuff the size they used to be. Yes, some visibility has decreased, but I would argue the amount of that driven by regulation is minimal, the amount driven by styling/buyers is significant.
Beer Baron said:In reply to ProDarwin :
As I understand, pedestrian safety regulations tend to be about bumper and hood shape, and where on a pedestrian's body a car would impact.
The idea is that a pedestrian should roll over the hood of a car if hit, not get cut off at the knees.
I'm pretty certain trucks are not subjected to these same regulations because they're classified as "work vehicles" or "commercial vehicles" or some such. You are not rolling over the hood of the above truck.
What else could possibly explain the bulbous noses on all the new Toyota/Lexus trucks and utes?
I'd think there wouldn't be any supercars left if you were required to have a big blunt front end like the trucks have.
GameboyRMH said:
True.
I've lived in Indianapolis for almost 20 years, and haven't been to PRI yet. Because credentials.
In reply to PMRacing :
I solved this problem the same way my parents did. I taught my kids to not sit around vehicles or play in the street and to look both ways carefully before crossing the street. It seems to have worked. None of them have been run over yet and no useless regulations were required.
eastsideTim said:ProDarwin said:I'm curious what amount of the added height of a new F150 is from regulation. I dont think its much, if any. I bet most of it is styling and capacity - need a place for cooling an engine making 1341543154315 horsepower moving at slow speed towing an entire neighborhood up a mountain.
Edit: Plus the (base) tires alone on a 2022 are 4" taller than a 1990. I dont think any regulation forced that.
There's also the need to make the suspension handle the added weight capacity that "half-ton" trucks can handle now, while simultaneously making the ride more comfortable since they have replaced other cars as the family hauler. And keeping the cab/doghouse looking right when upping the height of the bedsides so they can advertise a higher cubic foot capacity.
Here is the thing
The US does NOT include pedestrian impact regulations. There is no truth to the myth that the massive frontal area on new trucks is for pedestrian safety when the opposite is true and they are much more dangerous
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-20-419
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-06/u-s-new-car-safety-ratings-are-overdue-for-update
Anyway, apologies for interrupting the meme thread so as pennance
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