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HiTempguy
HiTempguy UberDork
8/4/15 11:25 a.m.

Wait... so a chick in a thong is inappropriate for the GRM forums?

Nick_Comstock
Nick_Comstock PowerDork
8/4/15 11:36 a.m.

In reply to HiTempguy:

I think it was actually the conversation that occurred afterwards.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill PowerDork
8/4/15 11:47 a.m.

Geeze I just found it. That seemed pretty mild.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy UberDork
8/4/15 12:08 p.m.
spitfirebill wrote: Geeze I just found it. That seemed pretty mild.

Compared to some of the stuff said on this forum, uh, yea, it was pretty mild. It had no swearing, nothing gross, nothing in poor taste, nobody keyboard humping the gal.

This place is becoming a bit silly...

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
8/4/15 12:17 p.m.
David S. Wallens wrote: Thanks. Picture this message board being like a party, and maybe you don't know everyone there. Some conversations are best not shared with everyone.

But... THAT was the thread that got the party busted? Really? You would be very, very uncomfortable at a party my mom would enjoy. No swearing, no dirty pictures, no visible drunkeness... odd place to draw the line. Hitemp and I agree for the 2nd time in a week... WTF is going on here?

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
8/4/15 12:24 p.m.

Did I miss something?

Edit: Oh, wait, I saw the thread in question. I understand this is a boy's place, and that many guys don't understand how pervasive and widely accepted attitudes objectifying women contribute to all kinds of weird self-image issues for females, so I just sighed and clicked it closed before I had to listen to any more of it.

I also understand that if the latest controversies in the gaming world are any indication, attempts to politely point out that girls are people, too, and deserving of our respect will provoke massive blowback. This is comparatively mild, so get it all out. But don't expect any sub-forums devoted to catching ladies in embarrassing moments.

Margie

spitfirebill
spitfirebill PowerDork
8/4/15 12:38 p.m.

Margie

Do you remember the article in GRM a few years back with the girls posing in the junkyard? I thought some of those poses were not appropriate for the magazine, and I'm a bit of a perve (or was). I got neutered.

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
8/4/15 12:43 p.m.

Oh yeah, I remember. Weirdest thing about that? We wanted to do the shoot more in fun, but the models (one especially) worked mostly for biker magazines in town, and it was all we could do to keep her from getting to know some of the parts in a biblical manner.

Our next effort at that was the "Zero to Hero," with the trophy girl and confetti and such for our former zero, and I think it came out a lot better. (Fun fact: That model went on to become one of the suitcase-holding girls on "Deal or No Deal." Still no Shirley Temple Black, but she's got time.)

Margie

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
8/4/15 12:45 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote: This is comparatively mild in comparison, so get it all out. But don't expect any sub-forums devoted to catching ladies in embarrassing moments.

My wife and I were on the deck over the weekend enjoying a glass of wine. Suddenly, my wife made a dash for the powder room without realizing the sliding screen door was closed. I laughed until milk I last drank in the '80s came out of my nose. I did not get the camera out in time and failed to capture the wreckage. Is this what you mean?

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
8/4/15 12:49 p.m.

Nah, I'd love to see pics of decades-old milk coming out of your nose.

Margie

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
8/4/15 12:51 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote: Nah, I'd love to see pics of decades-old milk coming out of your nose. Margie

Even if I had a video of the event... it would be to my peril to show anyone.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Associate Editor
8/4/15 12:56 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote: Did I miss something? Edit: Oh, wait, I saw the thread in question. I understand this is a boy's place, and that many guys don't understand how pervasive and widely accepted attitudes objectifying women contribute to all kinds of weird self-image issues for females, so I just sighed and clicked it closed before I had to listen to any more of it. I also understand that if the latest controversies in the gaming world are any indication, attempts to politely point out that girls are people, too, and deserving of our respect will provoke massive blowback. This is comparatively mild, so get it all out. But don't expect any sub-forums devoted to catching ladies in embarrassing moments. Margie

Well said. I wanted to say it, but you're a girl so yeah. (kidding)

HiTempguy
HiTempguy UberDork
8/4/15 1:15 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote: that many guys don't understand how pervasive and widely accepted attitudes objectifying women contribute to all kinds of weird self-image issues for females

The EXACT same thing could be said for guys in this day and age. Look no further than Hollywood. So unfortunately, I don't see your point. I think we'd all have a good laugh if a gal posted the exact same thread but it was a dude in a kilt, and we certainly wouldn't be telling her that she is objectifying men (spoiler alert: when you dress for attention you objectify yourself, good or bad, as is the very nature of trying to look good for the opposite sex).

Anywho...

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Associate Editor
8/4/15 1:30 p.m.

Holy crap! I wish I could bet on threads like this; predicting that was just too easy.

http://gawker.com/what-is-gamergate-and-why-an-explainer-for-non-geeks-1642909080

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Associate Editor
8/4/15 1:32 p.m.

And, if you're still railing against "the machine," here's a different explanation, adapted from JG: Hitler mustaches aren't obscene or wrong or illegal. But you can't have one. He ruined that for you. The same way "other people" have ruined creating a hostile environment for women on the internet. I'm very sorry, but you can't have that, either.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
8/4/15 1:41 p.m.

alfadriver
alfadriver UltimaDork
8/4/15 1:42 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote: Oh yeah, I remember. Weirdest thing about that? We wanted to do the shoot more in fun, but the models (one especially) worked mostly for biker magazines in town, and it was all we could do to keep her from getting to know some of the parts in a biblical manner. Our next effort at that was the "Zero to Hero," with the trophy girl and confetti and such for our former zero, and I think it came out a lot better. (Fun fact: That model went on to become one of the suitcase-holding girls on "Deal or No Deal." Still no Shirley Temple Black, but she's got time.) Margie

What sucked about that particular issue- it was the one that featured our Challenge car. So I bought a bunch to give out.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy UberDork
8/4/15 2:00 p.m.
KatieSuddard wrote: Girls try to wear clothes that make them feel confident or help them stay cool, and they pray that there isn't some shiny happy person who decides that she's no longer a person but an object in a skirt. When that fails, they wear jeans.

I'm not debating that there aren't some people in this world who are rude or creeps. And somebody commenting on a 15 year old falls under that.

But we're all big boys and girls. There are just as many women objectifying men as there are men objectifying women (what's that movie... magic mike? Yea, I'm sure that movie is all about the amazing dialogue and deep story). So, if I go out in my nice jeans, tasteful casual dress shirt, and in general look like a badass rockstar (in my dreams) and a woman comments on it in a sexual manner? You'd think that would be a good thing. And what would I expect? If I don't want any attention, I'll throw on the GRM shirt and my pair of $15 Costco jeans covered in oil.

But nope. Your argument (in my opinion) also loses validity about the comfortable clothing options. If you are wearing the short shorts that seem to be all the rage lately, what does one expect? There are plenty of other options out there for being cool (temperature). And again, if you desire to wear something that is skin tight to be "confident", that confidence is directly related by your desire to be attractive. Which there is nothing wrong with; but if someone comments on it, why be offended if that is what was desired in the first place? It's a silly stance to take, "I want to project myself as a desirable individual, but if you comment about it, you'll be sorry!". Its like Monty Python's "Don't mention the war!" skit.

Chick wore a dress and a thong in the video. Things happen, she could have worn granny panties and nobody would be the wiser. She literally wanted that attention, and got the attention she desired. Unfortunately for her, the mind-control police don't have access to our thoughts... yet

If you want attention, then accept the attention you receive (positive AND negative attention). You could dress in a burka and people would still comment.

As for Tom, you went to Hitler AND gamergate. That's like two thread fouls right there Wait, that's three, you linked a gawker site. This is a bad thread

alfadriver
alfadriver UltimaDork
8/4/15 2:07 p.m.

In reply to HiTempguy:

Seems like you are trying to justify it for yourself. You've already done that. Good for you.

Sorry that it does not for many others.

(My impression of how life has run- while it appears that women objectify men like men do to women, they don't. The best you will get in life, mostly, is your wife doing it to you.)

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Associate Editor
8/4/15 2:13 p.m.

Glad you liked my Hitler, gamergate, and Gawker combo. Hopefully it's enough to put this thread down.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy UberDork
8/4/15 2:14 p.m.
alfadriver wrote: Seems like you are trying to justify it for yourself.

Nope, just having a conversation on this silly board. I have no need to justify anything I do with this board or the people on it. But I'll gladly share my thoughts and opinions on subjects we discuss.

As for your current situation in life, we all have different experiences. I am somewhat glad mine hasn't been like yours. It is cute though of you to try to pass off your thoughts/beliefs as fact while deriding mine at the same time.

Man, maybe I'll have to take a break from the board at the rate we are going! Next thing you know, I'll make a comment about a car being ugly and be called a judgmental objectifying shiny happy person

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
8/4/15 2:15 p.m.

Damn, this thread is like a roach motel!

alfadriver
alfadriver UltimaDork
8/4/15 2:17 p.m.

In reply to HiTempguy:

So who are you trying to justify objectifying women to, then?

And if women are falling all over themselves to you- good for you. I don't buy it, but it's your mind.

KatieSuddard
KatieSuddard DaughterDork
8/4/15 2:18 p.m.

In reply to HiTempguy:

According to the english language, you cannot objectify an object. It is already an object.

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/4/15 2:35 p.m.

The forum is an extension of the GRM business. I don't begrudge the powers that be moderating it to their own standards. I happen to like that this forum is usually very family friendly and won't get blocked by my firewall at work so I can keep reading it on my lunchtime and breaks.

If I want to crawl into the soft white underbelly of the internet, that is very easy to do, sometimes unintentionally, even.

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