tuna55
tuna55 UltraDork
4/17/12 8:35 a.m.

Kid #4 is on his (I presume it's a "he") way. Our house, 1800 sqft, 3 bedrooms, 2.5 baths on 0.4 acres, is not big enough for 'comfortable' living, as I see it.

I've always been more of an out-in-the-sticks kind of guy, and my house is in the less populated suburbs, so we're close, but we can improve.

I can find land, 3-10 acres worth, for around $30-50k. I know from experience that I can build a big enough, nice enough house for around 100K is I swing hammers myself. My stepfather, Mother and I did that a few years back and built a very nice ranch in Upstate NY with 2x6 walls, 9' ceilings with vaulted sections and a cathedral section in the great room, 2x10 roof with 2x12 hickory for the hips and three 2x12 for the beam. It had a full block basement, bonus room, attic, big windows, granite countertops, wood floors, tile everywhere else. I know, based on that, that 100K budget for the materials and small amount of labor (I hate sheetrock, but may do it anyway to save money)

My current house is worth $160k. I owe roughly 100K on the mortgage yet.

This is a multiple part question.

A: How do I do this? I have three very young kids (essentially, 4, 2.5 and 1) and a pregnant wife. I can't exactly rent a two bedroom apartment while I build this house, and I don't think I can carry two mortgages and a building loan all at the same time (not anywhere near enough cash to buy land outright) with my meager salary (between 50-80/year) and the kids preschool costs. How do you swap houses when you're planning on building the one you're moving into? Hiring a builder on a contract that required my house to be sold means the new house will be far too expensive.

B: What kind of house? A nice ranch that I build with 2x6s would be fine, but we love log homes. We've read that kits are great, kits suck, they seal very well, they leak all the time, resale is impossible, resale is great, they are easy to build, they are very difficult to build and pretty much everything else. I have almost fallen in love with the timber type barn-like houses that are sometimes made from actual barns, and I would love to live in a converted barn, either one that I buy with the land, or one which you buy in a kit, like Yankee Barn Homes, but the prices are insane. I have no idea if that's typical or not. I'd consider other oddballish ideas, but they would have to be somewhat reasonable.

C: I'd also considering moving into an old Farmhouse, moving interior walls around, replacing piping, wiring, etc as I go. Not sure on how much of a pain this typically is, but it would be neat and give me a place to live, albeit messy and loud, while I worked.

D: Should I just buy a regular house and suck it up on the cost?

http://www.remax.com/property/102071426-60470388/171-Ridings-Drive-Inman-SC-29349/

Just for more information, this is going in Upstate SC. I hate slabs, would consider crawlspace but really like basements, don't care on much else, bedrooms >=4, bathrooms >=2.5. I like energy efficient stuff, but more from a financial perspective than an environmental one.

Thanks, guys.

szeis4cookie
szeis4cookie Reader
4/17/12 8:50 a.m.

D, no question. Based on the listing you linked, the real cost of D is only the delta between current and new house (about $15k plus moving expenses, so we'll call it $20k). With three kids and #4 on the way, your time is worth way more than that.

jrw1621
jrw1621 PowerDork
4/17/12 8:59 a.m.

I know that houses prices/values vary greatly from area to area, but...
I thought I was in a cheap area though $175k for 3100 sq of recent build on 7 acres is a smoking good deal. And only $1,300 in taxes.
http://www.remax.com/property/102071426-60470388/171-Ridings-Drive-Inman-SC-29349/

spitfirebill
spitfirebill SuperDork
4/17/12 9:02 a.m.

As you are probably aware, basements in the area you are looking are rare. I personally would not buy a house that had one that I was not involved with the construction of or one which had excellent documentation. I like the idea of building something myself, but old age, shakey economy and little spare time kills that.

I hope my wife doesn't see the house you linked. The good thing is we are more interested in a one story.

rotard
rotard HalfDork
4/17/12 9:51 a.m.

D

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/17/12 9:56 a.m.

Not D, they appear to have closed in the garage...

I think overall it depends on how long you intend to stay in the house. For the average 5-7 years I'd probably shelve the plans of a custom home, if you're planning to stay there a lot longer I'd go for a house I really like.

Osterkraut
Osterkraut UltraDork
4/17/12 10:22 a.m.

D + getting snipped.

Pete240Z
Pete240Z UltraDork
4/17/12 10:56 a.m.

D. Ask the wife and she will tell you how hard it is to live in construction with 4 kids; and 1 a newborn.

Property taxes in the Chicago area would be $6-7,000 on a 7 acre spread like this. Wow!

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
4/17/12 11:00 a.m.
Osterkraut wrote: D + getting snipped.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

mtn
mtn PowerDork
4/17/12 12:06 p.m.
Pete240Z wrote: D. Ask the wife and she will tell you how hard it is to live in construction with 4 kids; and 1 a newborn. Property taxes in the Chicago area would be $6-7,000 on a 7 acre spread like this. Wow!

Get closer to Chicago than you are and it will be even more. Probably $50,000 in a lot of the towns near me.

nervousdog
nervousdog HalfDork
4/17/12 12:31 p.m.
mtn wrote:
Pete240Z wrote: D. Ask the wife and she will tell you how hard it is to live in construction with 4 kids; and 1 a newborn. Property taxes in the Chicago area would be $6-7,000 on a 7 acre spread like this. Wow!
Get closer to Chicago than you are and it will be even more. Probably $50,000 in a lot of the towns near me.

Taxes are $6-7,000 on my 0.2 acres in Chicago's far NW suburbs.

Klayfish
Klayfish Dork
4/17/12 1:22 p.m.

Here's what we did. After our twins were born, we decided to move. I'm not a handyman at all, so we had to go with a builder. But before we commited to buying something, we had to sell our existing home. We sold it (took 8 months) and rented a house. We signed a 6 month lease, with an agreement to extend as needed. Once the house sold, we moved into the rental home (it was 4 bed/2.5 bath). The new house was supposed to be built. As fate would have it, the builder went belly up as it was right when the housing market crashed. They never started building. We were lucky enough to get our deposit back. We found a house that was in foreclosure. Out in the country like we wanted, 3.5 acres of land. We put our bid in and got it.

So I'd vote for going with a builder. As others have said, you're family time is really valuable, is it realistic you can build a house from scratch right now? Put current house on the market. If you can buy an existing home on contingency, great. If not, have several rental places lined up for when your house sells. Then go find something that fits the bill for you.

If possible, I'd hold out until the housing market starts getting better. It's brutal right now to try to sell.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy SuperDork
4/17/12 1:29 p.m.
Osterkraut wrote: D + getting snipped.

Remember kids, a "blank" is not a clown car.

I also vote D.

pilotbraden
pilotbraden Dork
4/17/12 2:03 p.m.

How about a cheap double wide trailer next to the house under construction? Live in it until the new place is done, then sell it or give it to some needy folks.

poopshovel
poopshovel PowerDork
4/17/12 2:18 p.m.

Can't help, but I will say:

A: I'm glad we had our house built, rather than buying someone else's roof/foundation/basement/mould/porch problem. Inspectors are berkeleying worthless around here. At least if you know a reputable builder, you can watch what kind of subs he's using, (english-speaking ftw; I've seen houses up here where the illegal alien subs RE-sub the job to guys fresh across the border that will work for nothing, and have never swung a hammer...I digress) etc., and catch problems as they occur.

B: Holy E36 M3. I've been looking at property in my area lately. $2k - $4k an acre will get you 40 acres, some come with massive streams, private lakes, old homes, etc. We're currently considering getting something bigger with more acreage, less stairs, and different bedroom configuration. Having kids changes everything!!!

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