Riots in Ferguson

oldsaw wrote:

wbjones wrote: I wasn't aware that he had earned the "t" ….

Maybe I'm wrong but I always considered the "t" meant a specific person instead of "any" person sharing the same initials. (it started WAY before I joined the sandbox) Regardless, the last thing a reasonably polite forum needs is an agenda-driven attorney who deliberately misinterprets and twists the words of others. On top of that, if a window-of-opportunity doesn't exist, he'll bulldoze a hole in a wall, claim it as a window, that it was always there and that he had nothing to do in creating it.

I think the "t" has something to do with particular victories in certain race series … and the thing about JY is that he's a pretty neat guy in person … he does come on awfully hard on the internet … but so do lots of folk

GameboyRMH wrote: ...why some ethnicities enjoy more wealth, power, and social status than others today...

Yup, those damn Asians:

I wanted to post a link to this article in this thread the day it was released, but many of you won't understand it for the same reasons it points out:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-racism-or-racial-bias/

To me it seems that the vast majority of white Americans are unknowingly participating in this insidious new form of racism - most alarmingly, it's even more common with younger generations. Stopping yourself from taking part is a lot more complicated than not holding any ill will towards other ethnic groups. I think I was falling into this kind of thought when I was younger, and I didn't realize it until years afterwards.

You're using an article lecturing us about bias, from a biased source that is partially responsible for igniting the E36 M3storm in Ferguson in the first place?! You've got to be kidding me.

If you punch a cop in the face and try to grab his sidearm, you will probably get shot. Not a difficult concept, and shouldn't be surprising to anyone. The entirety of the problem comes from that "community" taking the victim mentality and playing the race card out of ignorance, and the mainstream media going apeE36 M3 over the controversy and turning it into a massive clusterberkeley.

It's a culture problem, not a race problem.

jsquared wrote: The entirety of the problem comes from that "community" taking the victim mentality and playing the race card out of ignorance, and the mainstream media going apeE36 M3 over the controversy and turning it into a massive clusterberkeley.

No. There is no one group responsible for the "entirety of the problem". The issue of racial and social inequality in this country (not the specific incident that sparked this recent fervor) is a very complicated and nuanced one.

It's a culture problem, not a race problem.

Race is a facet of culture.

In reply to GameboyRMH:

So you're basically saying that because I'm white, I'm a racist. End of story. I can't possibly change that no matter what I do or how I think. Even if I change my way of thinking, I'm subconsciously a racist?

ScreaminE wrote: In reply to GameboyRMH: So you're basically saying that because I'm white, I'm a racist. End of story. I can't possibly change that no matter what I do or how I think. Even if I change my way of thinking, I'm subconsciously a racist?

No. Because you are a human, you have biases. All people are biased to some degree or other. Many of those biases fall along racial/economic/cultural lines. Having racial biases does not make you racist.

If we deny we have biases, it is harder to control or account for them (which is why many of the younger generation who are the strongest "allies" are the worst offenders, because they can't POSSIBLY imagine how they could have ANY racial/sexist/cultural biases). When we recognize what are own biases are, we are better able to recognize how much influence they have on our behavior and be able to actively compensate for them.

Beer Baron wrote:

jsquared wrote: The entirety of the problem comes from that "community" taking the victim mentality and playing the race card out of ignorance, and the mainstream media going apeE36 M3 over the controversy and turning it into a massive clusterberkeley.

No. There is no one group responsible for the "entirety of the problem". The issue of racial and social inequality in this country (not the specific incident that sparked this recent fervor) is a very complicated and nuanced one.

It's a culture problem, not a race problem.

Race is a facet of culture.

I meant the entirety of the "Ferguson problem," the specific incident. If we're talking ethnic/cultural issues across the nation as a whole, yes it is more complicated and nuanced than that.

And I hate using the word "race" because we are all part of the human race, the skin tone/etc stuff is ethnicity. While some parts of culture can be influenced by ethnicity, by no means does ethnicity cause your culture to be set in stone.

It does if you want it to.

Maybe I dont want to account for my biases? Maybe I dont care.

If life comes down to me having to essentially fight against the natural human programming of my brain, that gets to be about to the point where I stop giving a E36 M3 (to be completely honest).

People are different. You can dislike people for their differences. If you subconsciously do so, at that point, thats where I draw the line, because since I have very little control over my subconcious (I am not aware of it in my concious), it basically means second guessing everything I do when it comes to dealing with kids, or women, or other ethnicites, or tall people, or fat people, or or or or or. And life is to short for that, to have that sort of thinking placed on you because you were BORN white in a white, male dominant society.

If there were no slavery, those nice folks wouldn't have the opportunity to have a rap career, drive Escalades, have swag, etc.

Kidding...

Is Ferguson about race or Justice? Or both.

Ferguson is about acting like a damn fool...

Not because of any racism or bias... But anger because they were told this racism exists, and they struggle to find it..

Not because they can't get a job, but instead because they never had to.....

ect, ect, ect.....

HiTempguy wrote: Maybe I dont want to account for my biases? Maybe I dont care.

I suffer from severe apathy for O.P.P. as well. It has been mistaken for anger, racism, and a few other isms as well as "The silent treatment". Really, IDGAF and would just rather not hear about it.

My opinion on Ferguson is mostly "I wish I didn't turn on the TV today".

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

HiTempguy wrote: Maybe I dont want to account for my biases? Maybe I dont care.

I suffer from severe apathy for O.P.P. as well. It has been mistaken for anger, racism, and a few other isms as well as "The silent treatment". Really, IDGAF and would just rather not hear about it. My opinion on Ferguson is mostly "I wish I didn't turn on the TV today".

Well said.

Toyman01 wrote: Well said.

I now understand myself a bit better, as a 26 year old white male, I feel like I've been getting a lot of flack lately thrown at me, either directly or indirectly. GPS' description fits. I think I'm going to copy that and keep it on a piece of paper, recite when necessary lol

This is and should be about the choices you make.

If you choose to rob a store and assault a police officer, you just might get shot.

There were plenty of other things he could have done that would not have resulted in him being dead.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

HiTempguy wrote: Maybe I dont want to account for my biases? Maybe I dont care.

I suffer from severe apathy for O.P.P. as well. It has been mistaken for anger, racism, and a few other isms as well as "The silent treatment". Really, IDGAF and would just rather not hear about it. My opinion on Ferguson is mostly "I wish I didn't turn on the TV today".

I had a customer once who for his voicemail message had in the most monotone voice ever (He was a former Army Officer, and known for a very dry sense of humor)

"Hi, You have reached John Doe. I have been diagnosed with early onset apathy. Leave a message and I might get back to you if I feel like it."

I'm going to go have some popcorn. No more leftover pie in the house.

That depends. I had a Hmong cop reading me the riot act over a host of minor equipment violations the other day, and I'm as white as they get.

St Louis rams do the hands up dance. Everyone is up in arms. Personly I.think its the first time since.the kids Beem shot that anyone did this right.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

HiTempguy wrote: Maybe I dont want to account for my biases? Maybe I dont care.

I suffer from severe apathy for O.P.P. as well. It has been mistaken for anger, racism, and a few other isms as well as "The silent treatment". Really, IDGAF and would just rather not hear about it. My opinion on Ferguson is mostly "I wish I didn't turn on the TV today".

+1

Hal wrote:

oldsaw wrote:

Curmudgeon wrote:

wbjones wrote: sounds like you want me to invite Jeff to this forum

Ewwww. Don't do that; this forum is full of nice people.

If you're referring to tJY, oh hellz NO...

NO NO NO

All civility on this board would go right out the door. That "man" has a knack for starting more E36 M3 and playing the "what, me?" card than anyone I've ever had to deal with on any forum.

I have no clue who you all are on about. Must be before my time