Sarah Palin

ignorant wrote: What would he say about her behavior as it relates to her leadership abilities?

Nothing; he's dead.

If you want to apply Patton principles, use your ammo and aim at those who actually wield power; including those who got your vote.

Datsun1500 wrote:

ignorant wrote: What would he say about her behavior as it relates to her leadership abilities?

I don't know what he would say about Palin, but he would say the man that makes you "physically angry" should have gone in heavier and harder. Too bad his hands were tied...

Maybe if we had some of those weapons of mass destruction that monkey boy was always babbling about...

Datsun1500 wrote:

ignorant wrote: Maybe if we had some of those weapons of mass destruction that monkey boy was always babbling about...

The whole world thought he had them. Saddam himself said he wanted people to believe he had them and he never thought we would invade.

Saddam gambled and everyone lost. But, it's ALL Bush's fault.

Palin is definitely no Barak Obama. Oh wait. I meant to say she is definitely no different than than Barak Obama.

Even though I don't think she is anything great, she isn't as stupid as everybody makes her out to be, and just as smart or smarter than most other politicians (Obama included).

P.S. Marine Corpsmen are different than marine corpse men.

Datsun1500 wrote:

ignorant wrote: Maybe if we had some of those weapons of mass destruction that monkey boy was always babbling about...

The whole world thought he had them. Saddam himself said he wanted people to believe he had them and he never thought we would invade.

ask hans blix

oldsaw wrote:

Datsun1500 wrote:

ignorant wrote: Maybe if we had some of those weapons of mass destruction that monkey boy was always babbling about...

The whole world thought he had them. Saddam himself said he wanted people to believe he had them and he never thought we would invade.

Saddam gambled and everyone lost. But, it's ALL Bush's fault.

you do know you have have a whole generation that now believes that... Me included.

I am not a fan of Palin and think she is way over her head being used as a puppet for a movement. I happen to think many of the same thoughts about Obama. Both seem to think the road should be easier for them and wonder why people question and oppose them. The response is to make smarmy comments about how it is the other guys fault.

I look at her supporters the same way I look at the fanatic supporters of any person, party, team, religion, way of thinking. Blind leading the blind.

ignorant wrote:

tuna55 wrote: She quit being governor because she instantly became inundated with ethics claims that go along with the '15 minutes of fame' stuff, because she felt she was causing more damage to Alaska by not being able to govern properly due to these charges. I respect that, I probably would have done the same thing.

So you're saying that you would effectively get up and leave when the going got tough? Even if you were in the right? Really? Why are people OK with this? As a father, I hope I never demonstrate this behavior to my child and will never condone it. It's unconscionable. Maybe, It's because I am a product of a Montessori school and was taught to work to my own self satisfaction, never give up when something was just plain difficult, and to always challenge myself.

So it is easier to just quit than clear her name? Wow. She wanted the VP shot, she knew what was going to go along with it. If she had a few skeletons (or bridges) in the closet she knew they would come out eventually. Quitting just saved her from being tossed out of office, or losing an election. She quit to save face.

As for quitting to save her family. HAAAAAHahahahaaha. If she really cared she'd quit politics totally. Her daughter and the baby-daddy made a mockery of her family "ethics" position. How about slamming Rahm Emanuel for using "retard" but if Rush Limbaugh says it then its okay. She could have just gone back to Alaska and let everyone forget about her (Geraldine Ferraro anyone?). Instead she grabbed for another 15 minutes and will continue to drag her family through with her.

I think this is an interesting take on "modern" conservatism, of which Palin seems to be very much a part:

http://www.oregoncatalyst.com/index.php/archives/3045-What-Conservatism-Is-and-Isnt.html

(first paragraph):

Much of what is now called conservatism is nothing but right-wing liberalism. Conservatism is not opposition to homosexual marriage or abortion or premarital sex or post-modernism or socialism. It is not fundamentalism, six-day creationism, Republicanism, or even the commitment to spread democracy. Conservatism is not reactionary—it is traditional, but not for tradition’s own sake.

aircooled wrote: I think this is an interesting take on "modern" conservatism, of which Palin seems to be very much a part: http://www.oregoncatalyst.com/index.php/archives/3045-What-Conservatism-Is-and-Isnt.html (first paragraph): Much of what is now called conservatism is nothing but right-wing liberalism. Conservatism is not opposition to homosexual marriage or abortion or premarital sex or post-modernism or socialism. It is not fundamentalism, six-day creationism, Republicanism, or even the commitment to spread democracy. Conservatism is not reactionary—it is traditional, but not for tradition’s own sake.

I do not believe that drivel for one bit. Go back to a republican party platform from the early 1900's..... Thats some good stuff..

slefain wrote: So it is easier to just quit than clear her name? Wow. She wanted the VP shot, she knew what was going to go along with it. If she had a few skeletons (or bridges) in the closet she knew they would come out eventually. Quitting just saved her from being tossed out of office, or losing an election. She quit to save face. As for quitting to save her family. HAAAAAHahahahaaha. If she really cared she'd quit politics totally. Her daughter and the baby-daddy made a mockery of her family "ethics" position. How about slamming Rahm Emanuel for using "retard" but if Rush Limbaugh says it then its okay. She could have just gone back to Alaska and let everyone forget about her (Geraldine Ferraro anyone?). Instead she grabbed for another 15 minutes and will continue to drag her family through with her.

Palin (and those who chose her) were naievely/deliberately oblivious that her nomination would provoke media scrutiny. If Obama had received half the investigative attentions applied to Palin, Hillary would be President.

Palin is a meteorite, putting on a good show while burning, but one that may still make an impact. Presidential material, not so much. At least she had enough smarts to get checks from FOX before her expiration date (like Ferraro, another FOX contributor).

BTW, Alaska is now considering legislation that addresses provisions in state law that allowed the deluge of frivolous legal actions questioning "ethical" practices by elected officials, applying to both parties.

If you ever want to run for office on a platform of "principle" and assign family as a secondary concern, you have my vote! Depending on your "principles, of course!

I like Palin just for the fact that she annoys all the right people. It's not enough to dislike her; people actually hate her enough to begin foaming at the mouth. She inspires nothing short of incoherent rage among those who oppose her, and I find it funny that people can get so worked up over someone who really has no power at all.

I can't take her seriously as a politician, but I do love having her around.

oldsaw wrote: ...If Obama had received half the investigative attentions applied to Palin, Hillary would be President....

What exactly would they have discovered?

aircooled wrote:

oldsaw wrote: ...If Obama had received half the investigative attentions applied to Palin, Hillary would be President....

What exactly would they have discovered?

Nothing that he hadn't already admitted. Of course we don't actually know that, but I think its safe to be assumed. As much as I dislike the president and what he's doing to this country, at least he's clean.

That's what I was thinking. I don't think there is/was much to dig up.

harumph

get off my lawn

Palin's an attention "lady of the night"

Ig, I stand by what I said. She couldn't be a good governor because of having to constantly 'clear her name' as you put it. Why waste the states time and money on a personal grudge everyone has against you? It was better for her and Alaska if she just walked and let people trash her as a person and let someone else do the governing. Makes sense to me. The "going didn't get tough" as you put it, though, because it wasn't harder to govern, there simply wasn't time to actually do it. It would be selfish for her to try and hold the governors position as a figurehead, rather than to walk and let Alaska be run by someone else.

This isn't even about politics, left or right, it's about what you expect a politician to do. I expect a politician to run the office as efficiently as possible. If they can be more efficient by leaving, then it's totally the right thing to do for the constituents.

Threadjack!

ignorant wrote: <-- Read it.. You libertarian types really do fit the montessori mold more than the hippies who go to montessori classes do.

I have to adamantly disagree with your characterization of current Montessori schools. I teach at one and we are very much of the libertarian/personal responsibility mindset.

We don't cater to "hippies". Those parents we usually try to foist off on Waldorf schools. Our families tend to be more wealthy and professional. Many are business owners or physicians.

We make our children work hands on with practical things. As a result of that, our tiny school sent more students to the California State Science fair than any other school in the state. One of our kids took home an overall 2nd place.

Biggest difference between what we do and the general mindset of this board is that Montessori is also about peacefulness, and so we have to suppress things like gun ownership. We are however trying to pervert them with motorsports and are really hoping to pick up a vehicle to have the kids help build as a challenge car.

pete240z wrote:

HELLE36 M3 NO!!!!, as my former Middle Eastern boss would say.

The libs hate sarah because she's hot and all they have is nancy "the troll" pelosi and hillary "muff diver""clinton. As far as missing gw goes i'd take him over the clusterberkeley of a pres. we have now.

LoL why is it that the only good reason anyone can give for supporting Palin is "cause she's hot" ? I would love to see her on "Are you smarter than a 2nd grader?"

Salanis, I have to disagree with you, most of the Montessori // Waldorf kids I have encountered were hippy kids, and socially awkward PIAs too (I used to work at an outdoor science school). There were a few charter schools that used the Montessori methods that had normal kids so I think the method works. Its just ruined by the type of parent* that is attracted to a school branding itself as a "Montessori" school.

*(overprotective coddling hippy parents that never set boundary with their kids)

Edit: On second thought, it probably just because I am from Santa Cruz, dumb hippies ruin everything...

In reply to Capt Slow:

Maybe the particular school or location I work at is abnormal. This is a more conservative area than most in California. Definitely moreso than Santa Cruz.

We get a lot of kids who would slip through the cracks at a public school, and can really use the more personal attention. Maybe they're smarter and need a greater challenge or maybe they're slower but not so far down the bell curve that they'd be in special ed. I think it's safe to say that most parents just don't want their kid becoming a face lost in the crowd of ever-increasing class sizes.

pitbull113 wrote: The libs hate sarah because she's hot and all they have is nancy "the troll" pelosi and hillary "muff diver""clinton. As far as missing gw goes i'd take him over the clusterberkeley of a pres. we have now.

Dude, we had Ann Coulter's crazy hot ass to lust over loooong before Palin popped up on the screen.

I admire the way she can drive an entire nation nuts. Not just aggravate, but totally infuriate beyond reason. Everyone who follows, doesn't follow, or hides under a rock hoping the noise will go away gets infected. The absolute, foaming at the mouth hate the leftist opinionistias will spew at her is evidence she's doing something right, even if it is just tweaking their noses.

Come on! You can't take those blowhards seriously, can you?