So I guess Dave Mustaine is officially crazy now

Duke wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: A berkeleying robot army of lip-syncing teens cranking out repetitive, faceless, meaningless noise and peddling it to kids on the Disney channel.

You *DO* of course realize that this has been true of commercial popular music for about, oh, 80 years now...

Say that about Stevie Wonder, Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, or ACDC, and some people may have a bone to pick with you. Those guys have all been pretty berkeleying "popular" at one point or another. Popular music hasn't always sucked.

poopshovel wrote: Say that about Stevie Wonder, Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, or ACDC, and some people may have a bone to pick with you. Those guys have all been pretty berkeleying "popular" at one point or another. Popular music hasn't always sucked.

Yes, but only Stevie Wonder could remotely be considered "pop music". There was a lot of really crappy pop music back in the 60's, 70's and 80's as well.

poopshovel wrote:

Duke wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: A berkeleying robot army of lip-syncing teens cranking out repetitive, faceless, meaningless noise and peddling it to kids on the Disney channel.

You *DO* of course realize that this has been true of commercial popular music for about, oh, 80 years now...

Say that about Stevie Wonder, Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, or ACDC, and some people may have a bone to pick with you. Those guys have all been pretty berkeleying "popular" at one point or another. Popular music hasn't always sucked.

Amen. Could Tom Petty, Billy Corigan, Geddy Lee, Neil Young... berkeleying Lemmy... even get a job today? Ronnie James Dio and Ian Gillian were sexual tyrannosauruses of vocal awesome but no berkeleying way they were pretty enough for today's audience. Could you imagine a scenario where Bob Dylan could even get past the "Retard" day at American Idol?

We live in a time where any formulaic rhythm can be sold by a pretty face. When was the last time you saw an unberkeleyable musician? Obviously, no ugly people can jam.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Amen. Could Tom Petty, Billy Corigan, Geddy Lee, Neil Young... berkeleying Lemmy... even get a job today?

Hey. HEY! Easy there padre. Lemmy could destroy the music industry, make everyone forget they ever heard music, invent the drum and re-introduce music to the human race before he lost his morning beer buzz.

As for popular music- it kinda gets back to what I was saying before. There's always good music being made. I've been listening to a lot of House and Chill lately, mainly because I got a pair of the best speakers ever made and can't get enough deep bass. But there's some pretty quality stuff being churned out. What was unusual about Nirvana is, it was good and it got not only popular, but HUGE!

I remember a literature class in college- can't remember what they called it, but there is a term that describes why wildly popular art is so often bad. That's why bands like the Beatles or Nirvana get so much baggage hung on them. They were both enormously popular through very odd times in popular music.

Oh, here it is- kinda. We had to read this.

http://www.bartleby.com/104/119.html

That's one POS poem right there, and enormously popular. Precious Moments statues will always sell better than fine art. Just the way it is. And that god-forsaken Thomas Kinkade. You now how many paintings that jack-wagon sold? Good God. Somewhere, there's a talented painter who can't sell a thing, and that guy gets famous?

fast_eddie_72 wrote: http://www.bartleby.com/104/119.html That's one POS poem right there, and enormously popular. Precious Moments statues will always sell better than fine art. Just the way it is. And that god-forsaken Thomas Kinkade. You now how many paintings that jack-wagon sold? Good God. Somewhere, there's a talented painter who can't sell a thing, and that guy gets famous?

Ok, ok, ok. We disagree about how awesome Nirvana actually were but we both agree that they were awesome in some capacity.

There was no reason for you to bring Kinkade out of the trash bin to ruin my E36 M3 but since you did I'm going to put his christmassy glow on everything berkeleying produced today. This is the Kinkade era of music. Bahahaha! I love it. You are a genius. That is a perfect description of music today.

Forever in your debt for your priceless advice.
Wait!

My work here is done.

http://youtu.be/6Ul8GNnAgyc

poopshovel wrote: Say that about Stevie Wonder, Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, or ACDC, and some people may have a bone to pick with you. Those guys have all been pretty berkeleying "popular" at one point or another. Popular music hasn't always sucked.

And you're going to tell me there weren't a thousand pretty faces singingpredigested inane crap throughout all those years?

About the only thing that has changed are drum machines and autotune.

You're missing my point. I'm just saying it wasn't always all bad, and hell, it's still not. There will always be bubblegum bullE36 M3 that makes girls panties wet, and guys will buy it in an attempt to knock those panties off. Then there are those rare incredibly talented folks who are in the right place at the right time with the right record who berkeleying kill it and get A&R guys scrambling to find "that sound."

It's not that what Nirvana was doing was something that hadn't been done before (listen to the melvins) but they did it REALLY well, had a great record deal, and a fashionable video that made the whole package...at the perfect time. America was ready for suburban punk rock, and Nirvana provided it.

And heroin. Apparently heroin opens all kinds of possibilities...according to Chris Poland, who got Dave Mustaine hooked. Aaaaaand we're back on topic.