Part time, I am an independent contractor dealing with a few different organizations. One of them is trying to file a 1099 and is asking for my social. I don't completely trust this organization with my SSN. Is there any way to keep this all on the up-and-up, but not allow them access to my SSN?
No. They have to file the 1099, with the Feds, with your SS number. Just in case you...forget.
I am not a tax man, though I did sleep in my own bed last night.
Toyman01 wrote: No. They have to file the 1099, with the Feds, with your SS number. Just in case you...forget. I am not a tax man, though I did sleep in my own bed last night.
Dang it. Just as I thought, but was hoping against.
Working with an organization is a little like sleeping with a woman. If you wouldn't trust them with your privates, you shouldn't be sleeping with them. Er, something like that.
Aren't taxes the whole point of the SSN? It's all the other stuff that's doing it wrong.
1988RedT2 wrote: Working with an organization is a little like sleeping with a woman. If you wouldn't trust them with your privates, you shouldn't be sleeping with them. Er, something like that.
This is a little bit of a unique situation. Too complicated to get into the specifics, but here is a quick-version that should hide all the organizations in question:
PE is affiliated with AH and UH, and AH is affiliated with UH. I am a member of both AH and UH. I am also a member of IO, which pays me directly for most of my work—IO is not affiliated with AH or UH, but only works with AH and UH. PE scheduled me through IO, but pays me on their own. I don’t trust PE, but didn’t think that they filed 1099’s. Probably I never saw it because I didn’t do much work for them until 2014 and they just didn’t file (I claimed everything I made from them in the past without the 1099)
mtn wrote:Toyman01 wrote: I did sleep in my own bed last night.Dang it. Just as I thought, but was hoping against.
Well, this took a weird turn....
The details don't matter.
If they paid you more than $600, they are required by law to file a 1099.
If you have performed work for them and will not give them your Ss# or EIN #, you will never work for them again, AND it can be presumed by the IRS that you are committing tax fraud.
Fast route to jail.
Thanks for the reminder that I'm not going to see any of the money I'm dumping into SS back if I live to be old.
Keith Tanner wrote: Aren't taxes the whole point of the SSN? It's all the other stuff that's doing it wrong.
I don't think he's all that worried about the taxes .. he sounds like he doesn't trust the company that will be sending him the 1099 with having access to his SSN
SnowMongoose wrote: Thanks for the reminder that I'm not going to see any of the money I'm dumping into SS back if I live to be old.
sure you will … the first rule of being a politician is to get re-elected … they all know that if they do away with SS then they don't stand a snowballs chance in hell of being re-elected … they'll find a way to keep it going … no one wants to shoot themselves in the foot …
this wasn't meant as a flounder … just my cynical take on politicians in general … of all persuasions
wbjones wrote:Keith Tanner wrote: Aren't taxes the whole point of the SSN? It's all the other stuff that's doing it wrong.I don't think he's all that worried about the taxes .. he sounds like he doesn't trust the company that will be sending him the 1099 with having access to his SSN
Agreed - but if there's one use you should hand out your SSN for, it should be taxes. Giving it out to people like insurance companies, that's when things go wrong.
Keith Tanner wrote: Aren't taxes the whole point of the SSN? It's all the other stuff that's doing it wrong.
the whole point of the SSN was to keep track of the amount of money you pay in during your working life so they know how much to pay you when you are done working..
everything else it gets used for these days is far beyond the scope of the original intention of the Social Security program...
mtn wrote:1988RedT2 wrote: Working with an organization is a little like sleeping with a woman. If you wouldn't trust them with your privates, you shouldn't be sleeping with them. Er, something like that.This is a little bit of a unique situation. Too complicated to get into the specifics, but here is a quick-version that should hide all the organizations in question: PE is affiliated with AH and UH, and AH is affiliated with UH. I am a member of both AH and UH. I am also a member of IO, which pays me directly for most of my work—IO is not affiliated with AH or UH, but only works with AH and UH. PE scheduled me through IO, but pays me on their own. I don’t trust PE, but didn’t think that they filed 1099’s. Probably I never saw it because I didn’t do much work for them until 2014 and they just didn’t file (I claimed everything I made from them in the past without the 1099)
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moparman76_69 wrote:mtn wrote:Physical Education, Animal House, University Hospital, and Input Output?1988RedT2 wrote: Working with an organization is a little like sleeping with a woman. If you wouldn't trust them with your privates, you shouldn't be sleeping with them. Er, something like that.This is a little bit of a unique situation. Too complicated to get into the specifics, but here is a quick-version that should hide all the organizations in question: PE is affiliated with AH and UH, and AH is affiliated with UH. I am a member of both AH and UH. I am also a member of IO, which pays me directly for most of my work—IO is not affiliated with AH or UH, but only works with AH and UH. PE scheduled me through IO, but pays me on their own. I don’t trust PE, but didn’t think that they filed 1099’s. Probably I never saw it because I didn’t do much work for them until 2014 and they just didn’t file (I claimed everything I made from them in the past without the 1099)
Exactly.
novaderrik wrote:Keith Tanner wrote: Aren't taxes the whole point of the SSN? It's all the other stuff that's doing it wrong.the whole point of the SSN was to keep track of the amount of money you pay in during your working life so they know how much to pay you when you are done working.. everything else it gets used for these days is far beyond the scope of the original intention of the Social Security program...
as I remember in the dim distant past … there was even a law that made it illegal for anyone (the government included) to use your SSN for identification
Keith Tanner wrote:wbjones wrote:Agreed - but if there's one use you should hand out your SSN for, it should be taxes. Giving it out to people like insurance companies, that's when things go wrong.Keith Tanner wrote: Aren't taxes the whole point of the SSN? It's all the other stuff that's doing it wrong.I don't think he's all that worried about the taxes .. he sounds like he doesn't trust the company that will be sending him the 1099 with having access to his SSN
and again I'll point out that it doesn't seem he's worried at all about the IRS (i.e. taxes) having access to his number … just the sketchy company for whom he did some work … he sounds like he's afraid of what ELSE they might use his number for
In reply to wbjones:
Keith didn't say to give it to the IRS.
He said to use it for taxes. That would include giving it to an employer for the purpose of filing taxes.
Honestly, this is way too little, much too late. There are a few things the OP should have considered before he got to this point.
If he didn't trust this company, why work for them?
Generally, people who are unwilling to give their SSN to employers are trying to avoid paying taxes. Tax evasion is illegal.
In reply to mtn:
If you don't give them your SSN, here is what they will do...
The employer will still file the 1099-MISC, but they will leave the ID number box blank. If they don't, they will have to pay your taxes as income to their business (they don't want to do this).
This will trigger a notice from the IRS stating that the number is missing. The employer is required to forward this notice to you, along with a backup withholding notice and W-9 form.
This will notify you that you will be subject to withholding (like a W-2 employee) until you submit your identification number. You will also subject to a penalty of $50 for failure to furnish the Social Security number.
So, if you work for them any more, they will be required to treat you like an employee.
HOWEVER, they don't want you as an employee. That's why they hired you as a subcontractor. So, they will fire you.
But you will also be on the radar of the IRS, and they will assume you are hiding income. They will audit you, perhaps regularly.
Give them your SSN. It's a LOT easier.
In reply to wbjones:
I'm not holding my breath.
The payer to payee disparity is already unsustainable, getting worse every day.
In reply to SnowMongoose:
what exactly do you mean? seems to me that by payer to payee you are talking about some sort of deficit. But the federal deficit has been declining in recent years. It might increase in coming years but it has certainly not been getting worse every day.
SVreX wrote: In reply to wbjones: Keith didn't say to give it to the IRS. He said to use it for taxes. That would include giving it to an employer for the purpose of filing taxes. Honestly, this is way too little, much too late. There are a few things the OP should have considered before he got to this point. If he didn't trust this company, why work for them? Generally, people who are unwilling to give their SSN to employers are trying to avoid paying taxes. Tax evasion is illegal.
sorry … that's not how I was reading the OP's original post … what I was getting from what I thought I was reading was that he didn't trust that company with his SSN … not that he was worried about his # being used for his taxes … which I took to mean the IRS …
my bad .. and Keith, my apologies if it sounded any different
In reply to fritzsch: and SnowMongoose:
it's been a concern for folk for a long long time … the disappearance of the SS trust $$$ that congress has "borrowed" … but I really truly believe that they (collectively) fear losing their seats (and the $$ that they can "steal" while in office) so much that they will find a way to keep it going … there will probably be some changes (age to collect, amt. that those still paying in will "contribute") but they'll find a way to keep their phony baloney jobs
fritzsch wrote: In reply to SnowMongoose: what exactly do you mean? seems to me that by payer to payee you are talking about some sort of deficit. But the federal deficit has been declining in recent years. It might increase in coming years but it has certainly not been getting worse every day.
I'm pretty sure Snowmongoose was not referring to a fiscal deficit, but rather the ratio of people paying into SS vs. people receiving benefits which was once 16 to 1, is now 3 to 1, and will be 2 to 1 by 2030. Those numbers (in there simplest presentation) appear to be unsustainable.
However, in trying to answer your question, I came across this:
It's an interesting read, and challenges me and some of the things I have understood. So, I will just offer it hear for comment, and admit that I don't know much about the subject.
Anyone have thoughts on that link? (Yeah, I know...He's trying to sell books). Any strength to his arguments, or is it a bunch of BS?
In reply to SVreX:
Yessir, that's what I was getting at, thank you.
People living (on average) something like 16 years longer than when SS was started, also not helping.
Regardless, not expecting to see any of my money back.
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