My .22LR was the fun, really fun. I never had any problems feeding it. I'm seriously thinking about getting another one.
My .22LR was the fun, really fun. I never had any problems feeding it. I'm seriously thinking about getting another one.
Ruger 10/22 for cheap fun. I'd like to find a really accurate 22LR bolt action also.
Really accurate 22LR? Remington 511. 26" barrel, 5 round magazines. Most are pushing 75 years old.
M2Pilot wrote: Would you be interested in a pistol caliber carbine? If so, 9mm is still pretty cheap & available.
I really don't want a pistol in the house. Nothing against them, just have personally known to many incidents involving them in houses.
Where'd I'd like a nice .22, rimfire sells out instantly around here. As is there are lines when the truck is unloading.
I do have a nice .20 Sheridan air-rifle.
Not a pistol. A pistol caliber carbine. A shortish rifle that shoots a fat, slow moving pistol cartridge. Not a bad idea for target practice actually. The felt recoil isn't bad at all for most of the breed.
In reply to Grtechguy:
My dad was the same way, never understood it, it's not like proper firearm handling procedures change when the barrel gets shorter and you put a pistol grip on it. To each their own.
A Carbine is still a rifle, they're just a slightly shorter barrel, the advantage is that there are several options chambered to shoot ammunition that's traditionally used in pistols. 9 mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, were all still available even during the worst of the most recent shortage, and still available for cheap, real cheap compared to a lot of the larger traditional rifle calibers. So you can get a rifle that shoots pistol ammo.
Some 9mm carbines: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=7798
7.62x54R is still cheap. Pick up a Mosin or a PSL or something that shoots that.
They look like crap and the company isn't exactly known for quality, but I'm kind of curious about the Kel Tec Sub 9.
Kel Tec KSG is on my want list. They make some interesting stuff.
how expensive are you willing to spend? I bought a 7.62x39 "mini Mauser" a few months back. Haven't shot it yet but it's prolly tough to beat for cheap centerfire shooting. If you can lay hands on an old lever action 30-30 that would be nice but the ammo's nowhere near as cheap.
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A 22 Hornet makes the best Potato Gun. Makes instant mashed potatoes.
Aeromoto wrote: Mosin Nagant and some spam cans of Romanian steel core surplus, in case your target happens to be on the far side of a tree or an engine block.
If you go through and tune one up correctly, they can shoot a lot tighter than many people think. My best group ever with my WW2 91/30 was 1 1/4" @100yds, stock sights, Romanian surplus. Doubt I could do it now with the stock irons as I've gotten a little nearsighted since then. Though it is possible if you pick out one with a solid bore, crown and headspace, then stone the trigger parts square and smooth and play with barrel pressure points.
Appleseed wrote: Really accurate 22LR? Remington 511. 26" barrel, 5 round magazines. Most are pushing 75 years old.
Appleseed, you're my hero! I've got a 512 I'm "restoring". It was found sans bolt and beat to crap in a seldom used closet at my grandparents house.
The general sentiments about the 511/512/513 seem to be: Great adult sized .22 rifle. Accurate and reliable. Cheap on armslist when you can find em :)
For something cheap to take to the range put me in for surplus surplus surplus! Turkish Mausers can be had for $200 and greek 8mm ammo can be had cheap (plus you can reload). Ishapore Lee Enfields are chambered in .308 and can be had for near $350. Run of the mill SMLEs can be had for the same price and .303 isn't hard to find cheap. Of course you cant have a cheap surplus conversation without mentioning the Mosin-Nagant! All have scope mounts available for relatively little money and are a "blast" at the firing line.
You cant beat the nostalgia of shooting an old battle rifle, it's like driving a classic car 
You really don't go into much on specifics other than target shooting. Do you want this to double as a hunting rifle? Small game or large game? Self defense? What? What are we talking about as far as targets go? Beer cans at twenty paces or a steel plate at 500 yards? What kind of price range are you looking for? Both for the rifle and price per round for the ammo? The firearms market is extremely volitile these days another bad shooting and prices sky rocket and ammo becomes impossible to find in many calibers.
A Savage is about the best bang for the buck rifle out there and you can easily change calibers if you know what you are doing. You can build them into damn near any configuration you can think of, for a bolt action, with off the shelf parts.
For semi autos AR platforms are becoming the same way. You can build an AR platform rifle in dozens of different calibers in countless configurations. The rub is of course they cost more and depending on where you live you maybe restricted on how you set one up.
A Mosin costs double now what they did a few years ago but are still inexpensive. They are fun, kick like a mule and short barrel versions are essentially flame throwers. However there are many people that can't stand shooting more than 10 rounds from one before they are to sore to keep shooting. Personally I don't have this problem but I shoot bigger harder hitting stuff.
Hungary Bill wrote:Appleseed wrote: Really accurate 22LR? Remington 511. 26" barrel, 5 round magazines. Most are pushing 75 years old.Appleseed, you're my hero! I've got a 512 I'm "restoring". It was found sans bolt and beat to crap in a seldom used closet at my grandparents house. The general sentiments about the 511/512/513 seem to be: Great adult sized .22 rifle. Accurate and reliable. Cheap on armslist when you can find em :) For something cheap to take to the range put me in for surplus surplus surplus! Turkish Mausers can be had for $200 and greek 8mm ammo can be had cheap (plus you can reload). Ishapore Lee Enfields are chambered in .308 and can be had for near $350. Run of the mill SMLEs can be had for the same price and .303 isn't hard to find cheap. Of course you cant have a cheap surplus conversation without mentioning the Mosin-Nagant! All have scope mounts available for relatively little money and are a "blast" at the firing line. You cant beat the nostalgia of shooting an old battle rifle, it's like driving a classic car
small world...I am waiting on USPS to deliver my new butt plate for my 512. Debating on drilling and putting on a scope. a 22L from this thing is quieter then my BB gun.
My 13 year old saved for and bought a Ruger American. If you can find .22, it might fit nicely into what you're looking for. Bolt action, cheap, durable, run 10/22 mags, very good iron sights, set up for an easy scope install if you want to go that direction later.
I've been giving some consideration to a 9mm carbine myself. I don't really have the desire or the facilities to shoot a high power, but the range I shoot at allows pistol cartridge rifles. Since I hoard/reload 9mm for my pistols, it seems like a win/win. My favorite that I've looked at so far is the JRC in 9mm.
Honestly, if you're just starting out, its hard to beat a decent .22. While I've not been able to find the sort of bulk deals I'm used to ($20-$25 for a 500 round box used to be the norm), its still WAY cheaper than any other ammo type, even if you have to by in 50 or 100 round boxes.
Appleseed wrote: What's a box of 30-06 go for? A round that's been around for 109 years probably has a few guns to go with it.
My Gander Mountain store right now has about 300 boxes of Remington 30-06 for $21.99. I stocked up.
For availability of rounds, I would stick to the common ones. 30-06, (or its 270/280 counterparts) 308/7.62, 223, etc. Its a bit big for your needs, but what about 35 Whelen? I see a lot of ammo around here for it and its not a high-demand item. Let's just say if the zombie apocalypse happens, 35 whelen won't be the first to fly off the shelf like 30-30 or 22LR.
In reply to curtis73:
A lot of that is regional, whatever the popular deer cartridges are. I've never seen .35 Whelen on a shelf (aside from maybe a good gun store or cabelas), but I can buy .35 Remington at the local Meijer.
This thread has me thinking about a new gun. Maybe a bolt/lever .22, .308 bolt, 12 gauge, or a real splurge, a mini 14(those are NY legal, an AR isn't). Or a nice build on my 10/22, a hogue overmold, fiber optic sights, and a nice over sized charging handle.
Of all my rifles, I like my bolt and lever actions the best.
side note, What is it that makes the AR not NY legal?
Technically you can get NY legal ARs but they get silly. Pistol grips, removable high capacity mags, flash suppressors and bayonet lugs are a few of the NY not friendly features on the AR platform.
2.0dohc wrote: Of all my rifles, I like my bolt and lever actions the best. side note, What is it that makes the AR not NY legal?
You pull the trigger, and a bullet comes out the end of it. That is what they are eventually trying to completely ban. In the mean time, they pick on the stock, magazine, bayonet lug (to prevent the rash of drive by bayonettings,) "looks really mean...."
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