MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt SuperDork
5/9/12 2:49 p.m.

Something we've been wondering about on newer cars. Is there any interest in a DIYPNP for later drive by wire applications, where the DIYPNP would not control drive by wire? You would either need to do a parallel install keeping the stock ECU, or convert to a cable operated throttle body. But you'd keep the advantage of retaining a stock wiring harness. Would the need to convert to a cable operated throttle or do a more complicated parallel installation be an obstacle here?

oldtin
oldtin SuperDork
5/9/12 2:53 p.m.

FWIW I don't like the response/feel of any of the drive by wire cars I've driven - would be more than happy with a cable but I've been accused of being a luddite

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker UltimaDork
5/9/12 3:08 p.m.

Is there a reason a daughter board to handle the throttle position to stepper motor signal isn't available? I am picturing a pretty simple circuit using a two pots, a microcontroller, a little code to tune sensitivity and some wiring.

Any kid with a set of Mindstorms is halfway there.

Or is this a liability issue?

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave MegaDork
5/9/12 3:11 p.m.

I'd say that the ability to eliminate DBW is one of the advantages of going to a squirt.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt SuperDork
5/9/12 3:58 p.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Is there a reason a daughter board to handle the throttle position to stepper motor signal isn't available? I am picturing a pretty simple circuit using a two pots, a microcontroller, a little code to tune sensitivity and some wiring. Any kid with a set of Mindstorms is halfway there. Or is this a liability issue?

The biggest reason we don't have this is our R&D department has been busy with other projects. And creating a DIYPNP with a connector that fits a later car will take less time than designing and testing a drive by wire module, especially since we'd want it to safely be able to handle sensor failures and any other issues that may crop up.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker UltimaDork
5/9/12 11:25 p.m.

In reply to MadScientistMatt:

I get that. I really don't see any affordable options for diy tunable fly by wire drivers... Maybe I ought to step up and make one. I don't see the cable making a big come back.

The trick to issues that crop up is redundancy. Two control systems and a watchdog to make sure the sensors jibe and a separate return system to dump out if the primary fails open... micros and steppers are cheap.

Hungary Bill
Hungary Bill GRM+ Memberand Reader
5/27/12 4:25 a.m.
DILYSI Dave wrote: I'd say that the ability to eliminate DBW is one of the advantages of going to a squirt.

I would buy a megasquirt for the sole purpose of eliminating DBW in a car I wanted to "drive".

fifty
fifty Reader
5/27/12 6:17 a.m.
DILYSI Dave wrote: I'd say that the ability to eliminate DBW is one of the advantages of going to a squirt.

In some cases that's not an advantage - you lose traction control etc without it.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker UltimaDork
6/11/12 11:44 p.m.

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