Where would I find the 2009 Challenge rules? Are there any restrictions on wheelbase?
Where would I find the 2009 Challenge rules? Are there any restrictions on wheelbase?
Thanks jhaas 
Actually, I'd recommend reading the 2009 rules: http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/events/2009-challenge/rules/
midknight wrote: Where would I find the 2009 Challenge rules? Are there any restrictions on wheelbase?
Build a car 1350 feet long and the drag time wil be something like two seconds.
You're welcome. 
Lol 914 Driver! Interesting concept.... but I'll go with Tim on this one.
914Driver wrote:midknight wrote: Where would I find the 2009 Challenge rules? Are there any restrictions on wheelbase?Build a car 1350 feet long and the drag time wil be something like two seconds. You're welcome.
False, in your theory you would have 15 feet hanging over each end of the timing markers causing an anomoly where the car would get there BEFORE it left and therefore all time would fold in on itself killing us all... all for $2009.00 or less.
No wheelbase restrictions.
No GRM wheelbase restrictions.
If the officials at the NHRA track decide your car is unsafe, it won't run.
(NOTE: I don't think this has ever happened, however the track officials did step up their inspections this year, and they DO have the right to keep you from running for safety concerns)
So it Guido's car had been built for less than $2009 it would have been ok?
Yes
midknight wrote: So it Guido's car had been built for less than $2009 it would have been ok?
Geee......Guido and wheelbase rules together again......Greaaat..... only took until 6 1/2 months to go to come up FOR THE 4 MILLIONTH TIME. Next person to bring up wheelbase should have a $10 build penalty. Where's the rolling eyes smiley when you need it.
John Brown wrote:914Driver wrote:False, in your theory you would have 15 feet hanging over each end of the timing markers causing an anomoly where the car would get there BEFORE it left and therefore all time would fold in on itself killing us all... all for $2009.00 or less.midknight wrote: Where would I find the 2009 Challenge rules? Are there any restrictions on wheelbase?Build a car 1350 feet long and the drag time wil be something like two seconds. You're welcome.
While we're splitting hairs here, Drag Strips generally frown upon staging with the rear wheels. Just FYI.
poopshovel wrote:John Brown wrote:While we're splitting hairs here, Drag Strips generally frown upon staging with the rear wheels. Just FYI.914Driver wrote:False, in your theory you would have 15 feet hanging over each end of the timing markers causing an anomoly where the car would get there BEFORE it left and therefore all time would fold in on itself killing us all... all for $2009.00 or less.midknight wrote: Where would I find the 2009 Challenge rules? Are there any restrictions on wheelbase?Build a car 1350 feet long and the drag time wil be something like two seconds. You're welcome.
Considering the unlikely possibility it were even able to drive onto the track you mean?
Yeah I know.
John Brown wrote:poopshovel wrote:Considering the unlikely possibility it were even able to drive onto the track you mean? Yeah I know.John Brown wrote:While we're splitting hairs here, Drag Strips generally frown upon staging with the rear wheels. Just FYI.914Driver wrote:False, in your theory you would have 15 feet hanging over each end of the timing markers causing an anomoly where the car would get there BEFORE it left and therefore all time would fold in on itself killing us all... all for $2009.00 or less.midknight wrote: Where would I find the 2009 Challenge rules? Are there any restrictions on wheelbase?Build a car 1350 feet long and the drag time wil be something like two seconds. You're welcome.
Azzhats. You could be the greatest Statesman of all time solving multiple World Wars, you could find a cure for cancer or donate your entire life savings to charity and no one knows your name.
Build one Berkeleyed up car and they never forget you.....
Hmm, How long does it take for a 1321 foot tall structure to fall over? 
MrJoshua wrote: Hmm, How long does it take for a 1321 foot tall structure to fall over?
How long? Well that depends on the polar moment.....but the good news is that it won't go faster then 198.867 MPH.
So, you are suggesting that a somewhat taller than normal vehicle with collapsing wheels on the front and piston actuated accelerators on the rear (combining to increase the polar moment) should be a winner, as long as Wheels777 doesn't figure out how to go faster than 198.867 mph, right?
MrJoshua wrote: Hmm, How long does it take for a 1321 foot tall structure to fall over?
The real question is how high up and how far away is the first timing from the staging lights. If it's a foot away but only an inch off the ground, the structure will be nearly all the way down when it triggers it, and it will trigger the finish light very shortly after. Sure, the reaction time is going to suck horribly, but the 1/4 time will be smokin' fast!
I do have a few serious questions on this that I dont quite get from the rule list: Road Worthy? Just lights,wipers,defroster, limited likeliness of death if you drive it right?
I have a few price questions as well. The car was $500 and we have $500 worth of stuff sold off of it as it stands. Leaving $2009 for modifications. If we were to say buy a complete ranger head with the roller cam would it be legal to harvest the cam and rollers and then sell the rest of the head off to include in the budget?
My partner in crime on this got the steel that will be our watts linkage from work for free(they were going to trash it) do we have to claim a value on this? Is trash picking frowned upon?
The turbo cost me a Kenny Chesney CD and some beef jerkey (living in redneck country has its benefits) do I have to claim an actual value on that or can I list it as the $12.42 the cd and snack food cost me
Is there an entry fee? Who/where do I send payment of it?
Im not really looking for advantages here just trying to be sure that we show up with a legal car and get through the event without pissing anybody off.
If we were to say buy a complete ranger head with the roller cam would it be legal to harvest the cam and rollers and then sell the rest of the head off to include in the budget?
Sh*t yeah, man. That's the name of the game! Keep in mind that your max recoup will be $1004.50, though.
The turbo cost me a Kenny Chesney CD and some beef jerkey (living in redneck country has its benefits) do I have to claim an actual value on that or can I list it as the $12.42 the cd and snack food cost me
$12.42. The transmission for our car was a 12 pack of natty light and a bag of frozen hot wings, to the tune of $30 or something.
My partner in crime on this got the steel that will be our watts linkage from work for free(they were going to trash it) do we have to claim a value on this? Is trash picking frowned upon?
Is trash picking FROWNED UPON!? As long as you're not picking through my trash, trash-picking is highly recommended. As far as fair-market or no fair-market, there's some room for speculation there, but IMO, the fair market value of something trash-bound is zero. Our paint for our $2005 car was expired PPG stuff that was trash-bound, as was the wood for our bumper core supports.
Good luck with the build. Sounds like you've got it figured out!
Here's all the $2009 Challenge stuff, though it doesn't look like entry forms are posted yet. My brain is going soft, but IIRC, fees are $150/car and 1 driver, plus ($50? $75?) for each additional crew member-type-person (anyone who wants their name in a magazine, and wants to eat/drink complimentary food/beer.)
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/events/2009-challenge/
the soop3rturd wouldnt happen to be your car would it? That car inspired some bad ideas lol
It's my buddy Wayne's car, but it's shake & bake, & I hay-yulped!
Exactly. What he said.
Like poop said, there's room for speculation with the free steel. I also agree that if it's in the trash, it's free. However, if it was in a scrap pile at a business they probably have a company buy it from them. Your friend may have gotten it for free, and I personally don't have a problem with it being free, but just to be safe, you might consider weighing it and budgeting scrap value.
36lbs at scrap value of $0.06/lb (his dad works in the steel industry that is his number) $2.16 yeah I think we can swing that lol. Thanks guys.
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