RossD
UltimaDork
12/4/16 6:47 a.m.
365 horsepower, 420 lbft at 2500 rpm and 417 lbs without accessories. The controls package is another $2300, of course Jegs and the like probably sell it for a touch less.
https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-35T
I am guessing it would bolt to the mustangs current 6 cylinders manual transmission.
As this is news to me and I haven't noticed any threads, Discuss.
There sure are a lot of other options in the <$12k bracket...
Neat idea. How much more power can you make with them?
The control harness is the important but to me. The engine should just be the 3.5l from one of the f150 years. Grab a motor from the junkyard and save 6k. It will be interesting to see if Keith and his competitors do anything with this though.
Ian F
MegaDork
12/4/16 7:05 a.m.
The main concern I'd have with this engine over the various LS options is size. DOHC engines tend to fairly wide to begin with and I doubt adding a turbo hanging off each head helps with this.
RossD
UltimaDork
12/4/16 8:52 a.m.
singleslammer wrote:
The control harness is the important but to me. The engine should just be the 3.5l from one of the f150 years. Grab a motor from the junkyard and save 6k. It will be interesting to see if Keith and his competitors do anything with this though.
I also noticed the 2.3 ecoboost and controller are coming out too.
2.0, 2.3, 3.5 - I've had some conversations with Ford Performance.
STM317
HalfDork
12/4/16 10:07 a.m.
Not everything needs to be LS swapped, and it's nice that Ford is offering these to give consumers more choice.
But unless I had a vintage Ford product that needed a thoroughly modern engine, I think I'd put my 12k towards a healthy LS3/ tremec combo from GM's catalogue. For 9.6k, you can get 525hp/480lb-ft of compact LS3 with warranty straight from GM.
Keith Tanner wrote:
2.0, 2.3, 3.5 - I've had some conversations with Ford Performance.
Oh the things you could do with a hot 4 banger crate motor.
RossD
UltimaDork
12/4/16 10:35 a.m.
With the 2.0/2.3 controls, you could bolt an ecoboost anywhere a duratec or mzr resides.
MattW
New Reader
12/4/16 11:15 a.m.
My coworker has a F150 Ecoboost. With some basic bolt ons it made (IIRC) 412rwhp and over 500lbsft. Not bad for some cookie cutter truck.
RossD wrote:
With the 2.0/2.3 controls, you could bolt an ecoboost anywhere a duratec or mzr resides.
Yeah the 4 cylinders make the most sense. They are much smaller and lighter,have the same number of valves as a pushrod V8 and yet only 1 more cam to go with 4 less rods and pistons so some of the complexity is removed while adding it in other ways. Comparing 400 reliable HP from a 2.3EB to an old school iron block SBC or SBF and the weight benefits start looking really nice.
I am waiting for builds of turbo 4 cyl Monzas, Vegas,Pintos,Mustang IIs and street rods become more common. The SBC-LS-LT craze will dominate for a long time but the thing with hotrodders and car people is that the love variety and being different.
I'm not a huge Ford guy, but I think this is great. Not everything needs a V8 swap and it's nice to see a crate motor that's not a V8 as well.
Even with a 2.0L Ecoboost, there is a lot of potential. If somebody, somewhere, doesn't do a swap in an Festiva or an Aspire, I would be disappointed.
Or as a NC miata replacement. The mustang ecoboost would be perfect in there.
I wonder how much effort is required to put a 2.3l in a fiesta?
RossD
UltimaDork
12/4/16 1:55 p.m.
In reply to singleslammer:
If the car came with a 2.0 or 2.3, easy. But, IIRC, the 1.0 and 1.6 are the old sigma bell pattern.
Yep, no 2.0l. I wouldn't do something like that to my fiesta and at that point I might as well get a completely different chassis
Or there is this
3.5 ecoboost for $500 in Ohio
MattW
New Reader
12/4/16 3:25 p.m.
gearheadmb wrote:
Or there is this
3.5 ecoboost for $500 in Ohio
Is that the going rate on these? I'd think it's a misprint.
They don't look THAT big.
I know of a beautiful 68' Galaxy that could use a 3.5 EB
T.J.
UltimaDork
12/4/16 6:19 p.m.
When will they come out with the 1.0L Ecoboost controls package?
A 2.3 Fiesta ST would be hilarious fun.
More realistically, a 2.0 or 2.3 econoboost MX5 would be....entertaining.
NOHOME
PowerDork
12/5/16 6:39 a.m.
Did not the Gas Monkey Monkeys swap on of these into a Pantera or some such? Not familiar with how you tune of of these from a truck donor or even get around the Passive Anti-theft feature?
RossD
UltimaDork
12/5/16 10:14 a.m.
In reply to NOHOME:
You buy the controls package for $2300 and you don't have to worry about tuning or PAT.
NOHOME
PowerDork
12/5/16 12:43 p.m.
RossD wrote:
In reply to NOHOME:
You buy the controls package for $2300 and you don't have to worry about tuning or PAT.
Does the controller work only with the crate engines or can any donor engine from a F150 be run with the $2300 controller?
RossD wrote:
With the 2.0/2.3 controls, you could bolt an ecoboost anywhere a duratec or mzr resides.
The 2.0 controller has been out for a long time and works just fine with generic 2.0 Ecoboosts.
What I want to know is, will it talk by CAN, so an Ecoboost-powered first gen Focus could pass a scantool emissions test. Probably not.
Or more awesome, an Ecoboost with a CX-7's AWD automatic transmission, to re-drivetrain a blown up Mazdaspeed6.