Which one do you guys like better design wise?
I love the coupe. But pillarless sedan is beautiful.
is $15k the number on these, these days?
I know not a 500, but the 472 is good enough for cruising with kids and wife.
appreciate thoughts from the GM/Caddy experts.
with $15k any better 60-70 Caddy model a better buy?
I generally prefer a two door over a four door, but of the two pictured I think the four door car is a better color. It comes down to which one you like best, and which is in the best condition for the money.
stuart in mn said:I generally prefer a two door over a four door, but of the two pictured I think the four door car is a better color. It comes down to which one you like best, and which is in the best condition for the money.
I too like coupes always , similar to you.
personally I don't like white - but on long body cars - I do like the white - makes it look even more yuuuge!
sent emails to both to check
would love a red interior upgrade on either
Sedan description:
This 1970 Sedan DeVille has undergone a complete mechanical rebuild! Engine, transmission, oiling, cooling, ignition, suspension, brakes, wheels, tires, lights, power windows, etc. have all been replaced or rebuilt. All work was performed by Certified mechanics at Certified auto shops. Every effort was made to purchase NEW OEM AC Delco parts and Felpro gaskets. Only the power window motors are remanufactured.
472 ci Engine Rebuild:
Short Block: New Pistons, new rings, new bearings, new cam, new water pump, new oil pump, crank reground, hot tanked, new freeze plugs, new front and rear main seals, new timing set.
Heads: New valves, new stem seals, springs, new seats, new guides, decked, hot tanked.
Transmission: Rebuilt Turbo 400, new pumps, new torque converter, new front and rear shaft seals.
Cooling: Re-cored brass and copper 4 row radiator, new hoses, new water pump, new thermostat, new fan and new fan clutch.
Ignition: HEI conversion, eliminated points, new distributor, new spark plugs, new plug wires, new modern alternator, new battery.
A/C: Converted to R-134A. Tested and Sealed.
Steering / Suspension: *This is the big part*
Every bushing, tie rod, ball joint, control arm, shock, spring, steering mechanism, or load bearing related has been replaced. Too much to list.
Air / Fuel: New Exhaust, and muffler new gas tank, new sending unit, new fuel lines, new fuel filter, re-jetted 600 cfm Edelbrock carb. with electric choke.
Sedan. I actually like the way it looks better, but I also just can't get my head around having that much car and only being able to get two people into it.
Not many of my friends are up for tumbling into the back seat from the front doors should we actually wish to go somewhere as a group, which seems part of the appeal of a luxo-barge. Even if it's not all the time, it'd be a bummer not to have the option.
No convertibles?
In reply to stanger_mussle (Forum Supporter) :
Sure
but I don't see them in budget locally
Pillarless sedans are pretty rad but, really, no wrong answer here.
Thanks David. Waiting to hear from both owners
Sedan owned by a local brewing company owner
Did the 500 ever come in anything besides the Eldo? If it did, I'm thinking it wasn't until way up there in ´75 or ˋ76. Every '68 to '74 I've ever seen was 472 if rear drive.
Edit: and Curtis (I think it was) said in another thread that they just used a standard 12-bolt. I saw a ´68 on BAT and it had the strangest looking rear I've ever seen. No bolts at all on the backside. Kind of looked similar to a 9" Ford. Is this really just a 12 bolt?
herés the auction. I won't try to post the picture the way the website has been as of late:
A true hardtop like this in a big car is one of the few time I'm ok with a 4 door. Still would rather have a coupe though.
Either one of those is an amazing amount of car for $15k in today’s world. I’ll have to say the white Coupe Deville would be my preference.
Sidebar / stupid question time: Any issues running these engines on unleaded gas or had they already started putting hardened valve seats in from the factory by that time?
Hardened valve seats would have come later. I think it was 72 for the Cadillac motors but I'm no caddy expert.
A 401 CJ said:Did the 500 ever come in anything besides the Eldo? If it did, I'm thinking it wasn't until way up there in ´75 or ˋ76. Every '68 to '74 I've ever seen was 472 if rear drive.
Edit: and Curtis (I think it was) said in another thread that they just used a standard 12-bolt. I saw a ´68 on BAT and it had the strangest looking rear I've ever seen. No bolts at all on the backside. Kind of looked similar to a 9" Ford. Is this really just a 12 bolt?
herés the auction. I won't try to post the picture the way the website has been as of late:
I know that this ain't no 12 bolt. I'll research some more. The 12 bolt in my great uncle's later DeVille was a 12 bolt with a revised case. The high ratios they use required bigger pinions than would fit in a standard 12-bolt housing. I'll have to research these.
Ok... so there was a 68-69 only axle like that one. It was apparently built by caddy for caddy and it's just called the Cadillac rear axle from what I can google.
Yeah the rears are Caddy only. Best to fit a different one in. Most go 9 inch. As for as SDV vs CDV I don't mind either. To me the most important thing is no vinyl top. From the factory all most all Devilles came with vinyl. The Calais didn't normally. There's a lot of Calais that are called Deville these days. Not much difference between the two besides the top.
Regarding 2dr or 4dr (I refuse to follow Cadillac's interpretation of Coupe and Sedan)
The 2 door is a little more appealing in terms of appearance to some, but picture this scenario: You pull into a parking lot with your aircraft carrier and open your 2-door as far as you can before hitting the car next to you. Now you try to squeeze your feet down in the little tiny crevice you've created beside the rocker panels. Once your feet successfully reach the ground, you now have to stand up and squeeze your body into that space shaped with your butt tucked into clear the seat, your torso leaned over the window, and begin the 1.2 mile shuffle to get to the rear of the door. Once there, you may or may not fit between the door card and the quarter panel.
When I bought my 66 Bonneville, I planned on lots of driving and utility things so I specifically sought out the 4dr HT. YMMV.
On most of GM's big boats, the bodies are the same lines, so it's not like a BMW where the 2dr/4dr changes the entire shape of the car. The primary difference is the number of body seams on something like a Caddy or an Olds. For me, personally, my only desire for a 2dr would be the "specialness" of it. 2dr cars tend to be more sought after. That is why I looked for a 4dr HT. Cheaper, more practical, same lines with an extra seam.
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Stampie (FS) said:Yeah the rears are Caddy only. Best to fit a different one in. Most go 9 inch. As for as SDV vs CDV I don't mind either. To me the most important thing is no vinyl top. From the factory all most all Devilles came with vinyl. The Calais didn't normally. There's a lot of Calais that are called Deville these days. Not much difference between the two besides the top.
I do know that most of the Deville guys with that axle kept running into trouble finding posis, so someone discovered that a 9" from a late 70s Continetal MkV was the same width, easy swap, endless aftermarket.
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In reply to yupididit :
I always loved a Series 75.
bmw88rider (Supportive Dude) said:Limo??
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Super cool. I appreciate you helping me wiht the Land Cruiser in Denver, with the purchase! I am not liking rust on this. That said, if someone sat in all the way back, where would they put their feet? Middle row seems to be in the area of the rear seat passenger legroom?
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